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@ 2008-05-20 16:35:00
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Deathly Hallows uberwank: Nineteen Years Later
So.

Here we are.

OK, so honestly, posting this feels weird. This book came out almost a year ago now, and in that time it seems that the majority of people have moved on and just plain got over DH being a bit shoddy at times, and said, "Yeah, the epilogue sucked, so what? I'm just going to disregard it". Whereas here I am, like the sole existing member of an otherwise defunct cult, standing in a town centre with my sandwich board and megaphone, bellowing about how the CIA had Princess Diana assassinated or some shit. In short, this whole chapter just feels like old meme, and maybe I should just STFU, you know?

... Not that I'm going to STFU, you understand. Heh.

Be warned, though. If you thought the previous chapters were wanky... well, this is another one that brings in conversation analysis, put it that way.

And so we go
On with our lives
We know the truth
But prefer lies
Lies are simple
Simple is bliss
Why go against tradition when we can
Admit defeat?

- NOFX, "The Decline"


So, what with the title of this chapter, the year is 2017, and Harry and Ginny, Ron and Hermione (along with the domestic robots everyone will have by 2017) are putting their kids on the train for school. So is Draco Malfoy, who appears to have some sort of wife. This comes as a surprise to anyone with a functioning gaydar. He also has a receding hairline, just in case any of you still thought he was hot. Harry and Draco exchange a brief nod, which spawns a thousand fics in which they work in the same department of the ministry/go on a "fishing" trip together/get magically bound to one another by accident/whatever, which leads, with a neat inevitability, to fellatio. JKR presumably didn't intend to imply this; however, I see absolutely no reason why Harry and Ginny should still be in a relationship two decades after they first became romantically involved - so little evidence seems to exist of any true emotional attachment, shared interests, or even genuine attraction between them - so I'm guessing at least one of them has a bit on the side. And given that Ginny's sole purpose in these books has been, ultimately, to be Harry's love interest/reward for saving the world, I'm guessing it's not her. (I actually feel kind of bad for her. Even the sorting hat gets a musical number.)

Nonetheless, Harry and Ginny are, apparently, married. Here's a picture of them.



Moreover, they have succeeded in producing three (ahem) younglings. (I dread to think of the number of sue-fics that have doubtless already resulted from this chapter. It's like when they introduced all those potential new Slayers in the last season of Buffy.) The Potters (ugh) have named their younger son - oh, dear god, here it comes - Albus Severus. That weird sort of muffled banging sound you can hear? That's the sound of a billion Harry Potter fans across time and space repeatedly *headdesk*ing. Best part is, we don't find out his full name, with the Severus part included, until the very last page, so it's sort of like a bad punchline. Or a cumshot to the eye. Or the part where the mugger, having taken your wallet and mobile phone, punches you in the face anyway. Or like when you go into a Portaloo on the final day of a music festival, and you already feel like you want to die and you almost certainly have trenchfoot and your mohawk, if applicable, has gone all floppy, and there's a heap of shit and paper rising out of the toilet, and there's one huge shit perched right on the top and some witty fucker has stuck a flag in it.

The stupid thing is, the name isn't that bad per se - at least, not in the context of all the other vaguely Latin, wizardly-sounding names in the book. It's that it's unbelievably trite and saccharine and stupendously unoriginal, and in any case, Harry naming his kid after Snape has got to be the most out-of-character moment in the books since Remus Lupin stuck his dick in a woman. (Is it really any surprise that so many people thought Carpetbook was an elaborate fake?) The other kids, by the way, are named Lily and James, *sticks fingers down throat*, so that the entire Potter family may suffer from Harry's messy, unresolved Oedipus complex together. Now isn't that nice?

Man. I sure hope that if little Al ever asks, "Why did you name me Albus Severus, Daddy? And forget all that bravery crap, I want a proper answer this time," he gets told, "Because it's a nice name. A wizardly sort of name," rather than "Well, the 'Severus' bit comes from this ugly, greasy, quasi-fascist dead guy who wasted his life bullying defenceless students and lusting after my mother. That's who your sister's named after, by the way - my mother. And your brother is named after my dad who - FYI - bullied the guy you're named after, resulting in the guy you're named after hating me while I was a kid - and then got off with my mum. And then the guy you're named after betrayed them both to Lord Voldemort. That, incidentally, is why I grew up a miserable orphan, forced to sleep in a cupboard until I was eleven. That's right - you and your siblings are named after the three main players in a hideous love triangle, all of whom were dead by their mid-thirties. Oh, and the 'Albus' part comes from this queeny lush I knew once. He was killed by that other guy too, and it became a hilarious internet meme, although it was quickly eclipsed by lolcats and the rickroll. Now run along and play with your brother and sister, me and your mum are off to have empty, meaningless sex while I think about Draco Malfoy and she thinks about whether she looks fat. Happy birthday".

Srsly tho, the name thing kind of reminds me of this fact from the Star Wars expanded universe - Leia and Han eventually have kids, and one of them is named Anakin. "Anakin Solo" as a name is pretty fucking tragic, but at least Leia acknowledges later that

"I placed quite a burden on Anakin, didn't I, by giving him that name."

- Dark Tide I: Onslaught by some guy called Michael A. Stackpole

Harry, on the other hand, appears to be using Albus Severus's name as a stick to beat him with as he worries about being put in Slytherin - I named you after these two guys who were both really brave, one of whom was a Slytherin, so tits or GTFO. OK, so he tries to reassure him a little, but only by saying that the sorting hat gives you a choice, so you can always try and weasel your way out if it does hint that you're destined for Slytherin. (And if that isn't a Slytherin thing to do, then I don't know what is.) I really hope Al does wind up in Slytherin, because it might finally be the slap in the face that this one big insular, provincial Weasley family needs to make them wake up and realise that judging someone entirely on a single facet of their personality is flawed. For the same reason, I hope he comes out.

Anyway. Moving on, Ron and Hermione's younglings are called Artoo and Threepio Rose and Hugo. There was a fair bit of wank over those names back in the summer too, as I recall, but I don't think they're that bad, at least not when compared to the rest of the chapter. I'm biased about "Rose" since that's my sister's name, and my sister is one of my favourite people ever, but it's a pretty name anyway. And "Hugo" could be a lot worse. Most importantly, there doesn't seem to be any ~*REALLY SPESHUL IMPORTANT SIGNIFICANCE*~ to their names (except that they begin with R and H), so I guess I can live with them. Not that it matters, since they do pretty much nothing and say pretty much nothing. They might as well be cardboard cut-outs. They're like non-player characters or something - maybe not even that, since NPCs at least usually speak at least a little, saying things like, "I wonder what that dark cloud over Death Mountain signifies?" or "They say that nobody can leave the Lost Woods without the SWORD that can be found HERE on your MAP".

Draco's youngling is named Scorpius. We find this out when Ron says, "So that's little Scorpius". I'm tempted to go off on one about how Ron, too, must have been seeing Draco on the side in order to know his kid's name, except that a) Ron/Draco has never really done it for me and b) I can categorically state that Ron knows this because these fuckers are all each other's friends on Facebook now. (Srsly, I keep getting friend requests on there from people who bullied me. WTF is up with that? I take probably more pleasure that is healthy from clicking "Ignore".) Incidentally, one of my all-time favourite things about Potter fandom is that the AS/S ship was spawned within hours of this book's release. JKR can sink (most of) our slash pairings in canon, but she can never take our FREEEEEDOOOOM!!!!!!!!

Anyway, I keep going off on tangents. So, what actually happens in this chapter?

... Well, not much. Ron and Harry exchange half-hearted, lame banter about Ron's driving test (Ron magically skullfucked the examiner into passing him, which is funny until Ron accidentally drives the car off a bridge). Overall it is misery-inducing. These guys, along with Hermione, are supposed to have saved the world (obviously the extent to which they did is debatable, but that's what the last 36 chapters were for), and now they spend their time making petty, trivial, suburban small-talk about driving tests and, no doubt, house prices and how much their Quidditch season tickets cost (but not about the actual game) and salaries and what the traffic was like on the way over and whether they took the A38 or the A381 turnoff right before that Little Chef and, occasionally, if they've both had a couple of drinks more than they should have, how their lives are so bloody boring now and how their glory days were over by the time they were eighteen, and anyway those "glory days" consisted mainly of sitting around and waiting for the plot to happen to them, and how saving the world by eighteen and getting married to your teenage crush means life is forever downhill and how they haven't heard from Luna or Dean or Seamus or Ernie or anyone in ages and how much they miss the old crowd.

I find it tedious enough when I have conversations about that stuff. But the Boy Who Lived doing it is just really depressing.

Meanwhile, back in the - um - future, Lily v2.0, who I guess is nine or so, is kicking up a fuss because she wants to go to Hogwarts now instead of when she's actually old enough to be admitted. Aw, just like Ginny did when we first met her, fangirling over Harry and her brothers way back in book 1. Presumably by the time little Lily is 16 she'll be presenting boys with the gift of sex for their birthdays. Awwww! So speshul!

That twat Teddy Ruxpin is there too, getting off with Bill and Fleur's youngling, Victoire. Sounds like a boy's name to me, but apparently Victoire is a girl. Dammit! And what the fuck kind of name is "Victoire" anyway? Maybe I'll look it up on some baby naming website or something.


Oh.

Anyway, James v2.0 is flipping out over Ruxpin/Victoire and starting threads on VENOM about it, but everyone else thinks it's great and is all like ZOMG Ruxpin/Victorie OTP. Personally, I'm with James on this one - I think it's unnervingly incestuous. Even if Ruxpin and Victoire aren't actually blood relatives, I am generally a bit squicked by the whole thing of two people growing up together and then becoming a couple, especially when it happens a lot. If it happens like once, ever, and it's done reasonably well, then it can be romantic (although I find myself unable to think of any examples); here, in the context of all these other married couples who met at the age of eleven or younger (not to mention that both the original Lily and James and Molly and Arthur met at Hogwarts, and Snape loved Lily from childhood), it's icky and totally unrealistic. It annoys me greatly that JKR gave the main characters relationships before the ones they ended up in, presumably so that nobody could accuse her of having everyone wind up with their first love and therefore being unrealistic - but nonetheless the relationships they did wind up in still started when they were all teenagers, so what's the difference, really? Are we really supposed to believe that nobody changes as a person after they leave Hogwarts?

Of course, there's no guarantee that Ruxpin and Victoire did grow up together (that was how this rant started, I believe), but we're talking about the OBHWF here - they almost certainly played together as kids at least a few times. Even if they saw each other once a year at the inevitable OBHWF Christmases, that's still more than I saw, say, my cousins when I was growing up, and I sure as fuck wouldn't marry any of my cousins. In many ways, though, that isn't even the point - the point is, it's really annoying that JKR just had to throw in yet another overly-cutesy almost-family-already pairing. Can't we just, I dunno, show people being happy in a way that isn't completely incestuous and all about pairing off into nice little heterosexual couples?

Anyway, just to labour the point, Lily v2.0 squees over the notion of Victoire and Ruxpin getting married, and I have a strange, fleeting vision of hundreds of orange Daleks advancing on a major city, chanting, "WE - ARE - WEASLEYS! ASSIMILATE - OR - YOU - WILL - BE - EXTERMINATED!" Also, Lily makes noises over how if Ruxpin and Victoire did get married, then he'd really be part of the family. And what the hell is with that? I'm talking about the thing where, in the Potterverse, apparently you're not truly accepted into a family unless you marry a bit of it. I see this argument thrown around a lot where Harry/Ginny is concerned, both explicitly and by implication; apparently all that stuff where the Weasleys accepted Harry into their home and gave him the same birthday and Christmas presents as they gave their own sons and fed him and clothed him and supported him and, in places, even explicitly said he was like a son to them (Molly says so in OotP, and her boggart takes on Harry's form amongst those of her children) didn't really count. He had to knock Ginny up to be truly accepted. Here, Harry even says that Ruxpin already comes around for dinner four times a week, and yet nobody thinks there's anything weird about Lily more or less saying outright that he's not really part of the family.

So the kids get on the train, and are told to send love to one "Professor Longbottom". This chapter sucks enormous, hairy balls, but I guess I am kind of glad we know what Neville's up to, even if I figured out that he'd become herbology professor when I was a foetus (as did about three quarters of the fandom, of course). James refuses to send love to Neville and instead kicks his brother. Ah, the power of love etc etc.

Meanwhile, everyone on the train and platform is staring at our little gang, specifically Harry. Ron explains it's because he, Ron, is really famous. Well, LOL, Ron! That was so fucking hilarious I've just literally pissed myself. Uh, no, actually, it's lame and stupid. You suck balls. Plus it implies that the kids don't know anything about what their parents got up to when they were young - that thing where they saved the world and stuff - which is kind of tragic, and, depending on various factors, potentially unhealthy.

Finally, the train GTFOs, and there is some purple prose about how watching Albus go off to school is like a bereavement for Harry (which would be fair enough in real life, except that the general tone of this chapter is simultaneously so clinical and so tooth-achingly sugary that I'm not feeling it). Ginny reassures Harry by getting her tits out saying "He'll be OK" or something, which as far as I can tell is the only part of the chapter where they interact with one another. Soulmates!

And, finally, the chapter - and the book, and the entire Harry Potter series, the series I have invested something like ten years of my life in fangirling - ends with the phrase "All was well", which on the face of it is an enormous anticlimax. (Don't go anywhere, though. I'm going to come back to "All is well" in a bit.)

On the surface, then, that's the epilogue - a fairly uneventful, soft-focus, ordinary day in Harry Potter's life, nineteen years after he vanquished Voldemort. However, this wouldn't be the Deathly Hallows Uberwank without a completely over-the-top exploration and tearing apart of every word, every turn of phrase, every implication, so here goes.

I find the epilogue enormously unsettling. Not just because of the One Big Happy Cheesy Family, not just because of the aspartame-based naming conventions, not just because of Draco's receding hairline. No, most of all I'm bothered because - to me at least - it's quite clear that nothing's actually changed.

I'm going to have to flirt with Godwin's in order to explain what I mean, for which I apologise. Dictatorships, civil wars, fascist regimes, police states - these don't appear out of nowhere, they don't spontaneously pop into being. They evolve, arising out of hotbeds of political upheavel, social change, radicalisation, politicisation. They might be tipped over the edge by a specific event, but ultimately they come about as the result of a long, slow, ongoing buildup of unrest. (Terry Pratchett, unsurprisingly, puts it better than I do: "Shoot the dictator and prevent the war? But the dictator is merely the tip of the whole festering boil of social pus from which dictators emerge; shoot one, and there'll be another one along in a minute. Shoot him too? Why not shoot everyone and invade Poland?")

The point is, it's very easy and far too simplistic to put these things down to the person at the top being evil and that's it. The causes of World War II, for example, can be traced back at least to the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71, taking in along the way the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914, hyperinflation, World War I reparations, the Reichstag Fire, and so on and so forth (way too tl;dr for me to explain in detail here, but Wikipedia is your friend). The point is, the existing social and economic and political climate of Europe at that time was such that if the Nazis hadn't taken power in Germany, it's entirely possible, indeed likely, that someone else would have, there or somewhere else. Something was ready to happen.

Godwin's Godwin's Godwin's I know, but - if we're going to examine the wizarding world as a believeable society, and I think we ought to be able to, and in any case JKR has quite explicitly drawn parallels between the world she created and Nazism - something unnervingly similar is going on here, and that bothers me. Sure, Voldemort was defeated two decades ago, but the old rivalries, the old prejudices, the old assumptions still appear to thrive. Put another way, the circumstances that allowed Voldemort's rise to power don't seem to have been re-examined; as far as we can tell, nobody has learned anything.

At the base level, there's obviously still hostility between Gryffindor and Slytherin beyond a healthy sporting rivalry (evidenced by James's teasing of Albus, and Albus's distressed reaction, and Ron's comment about how his kid needs to beat Draco's in every test - although to be fair, Ron is a fuck in his own right, and Hermione does bollock him for that comment), and moreover we hear that "Grandad Weasley" would disown any grandchild who married a pureblood. It's framed like a (weak) joke, but that's immaterial - it's clear that the very notion of blood purity is still a valid concept, and one used in everyday life, without explanation, as a form of classification. The sorting ceremony, self-fulfilling prophecy that it is, is still being used (even though, as we've seen, even the sorting hat itself thinks it's flawed), dooming kids at the age of eleven to a certain path in life, an existing set of minutely specified details, etc. Moreover, we don't see any house-elf children, goblin children, or centaur children getting on the train, so I think it's probably safe to assume all those inequalities between the magical "races" still exist.

So I don't believe - not for a second - that "all is well". I think JKR intended to present this epilogue as a sort of soft, pleasant, domestic, cosy snapshot of the lives of these characters, an indicator that they are living normally and happily, that the turmoil of years past is over and there is lasting peace. But that isn't what I get from the chapter at all.

And the thing is, if I thought JKR had intended to convey the dark undercurrent that I can't help reading into this, I'd be really impressed, at least with that aspect of the chapter - but I'm fairly sure it isn't deliberate. Of course, if ten years down the line JKR releases a series of next-gen novels - starting with, say, Albus Potter and the Magical Gay Bar - in which everything has once again gone to shit and there is a threat a thousand times worse than Voldemort about to take over and it's all because the rifts in wizarding society were never truly healed - well, then I'll be very impressed with this clever bit of foreshadowing. I very much doubt this is going to happen.

Actually, the use of "All was well" serves to perfectly underline what I'm talking about here. Consider: in the OotP movie, scene changes are marked by showing newspaper headlines, one of which reads "FUDGE: ALL IS WELL". Now, chances are JKR wouldn't have known that the film-makers were going to use those exact words, but my point is that the phrase itself carries with it connotations of protesting too much, attempting to reassure without foundation, and telling rather than showing. Everything is fine. Nothing to see here. Really, everything is OK, and that's my final word on the subject. That's why it was used for those scenes.

I suspect that JKR's use of "All was well" is intended as a less cliched alternative to "And they all lived happily ever after", but I don't think it reads that way, partly because "happily ever after" is an established storytelling trope but also because, and this is the crux of the issue, "All was well" is a deliberate statement of closure, and not only in that it's the final sentence in the book. To illustrate what I'm getting at, I'm going to have to stray off the main topic at hand for a moment. Compare this chunk of interaction:

YOU: Hey Fera, how was work?
ME: Oh god, terrible!
YOU: Oh no, what's up?
ME: Well, I spilled my coffee, and then... [continues to moan]

With this one:

YOU: Hey Fera, how was work?
ME: Fine thanks. You?
YOU: OK thanks. [Conversation moves on to another topic]

In the first example, I genuinely want to talk to you about my day, so I provide a specifically negative (it could just as easily have been positive, of course) answer to the fairly neutral question of "How was work?" - whereas, in the second example, for whatever reason I don't want to talk about my day. However, saying, "I don't want to talk about it" implies there is anything to talk about, and would act as an invitation for you to ask me more. Therefore, in giving an utterly neutral description of my day, I draw the topic of conversation away from my day and therefore towards something else.

"All was well" serves the same purpose: JKR is ending the conversation. She's saying - that's it, nothing more to see here. She is making an attempt to draw the series, and therefore discussion of the series and interpretation of the series, to a complete close on her own terms. That's it. It's finished. Everyone go home. (This rule doesn't apply to her, of course, as we see every time she releases another snippet of information about how Luna hooked up with Wicket the Ewok or whatever.) The point is, that the use of "All was well" (as opposed to, say, "Everything was perfect" or "Harry was finally, at last, happy" or "The old wounds had finally healed" or whatever - I'm not a skilled enough writer to come up with a really good alternative, but I hope the gist is clear) implies, whether JKR intended it to or not, there is nothing more to worry about, now stop talking about it.

(That last sentence does, in fact, make sense.)

Of course, I have personal reasons for disliking the way this chapter goes, too. It bothers me on the wankiest level - that is, in terms of, "Well, this sucks, I wanted this to happen". We'd all known since the dawn of time that we'd be getting an epilogue that tied up any remaining loose ends; personally I had wanted/expected this to be told in a detached sort of way, as an outsider's view that might have been peppered with small specific details about individual characters' lives but ultimately gave us a very general picture of the state of the world. JKR has used a similar style before - for example, in the very first chapter of the first book, before we even shift into Uncle Vernon's perspective - and it has worked on those occasions. The omniscient narrator thing is what I am getting at, I guess. (IMO, this fic got it right.)

What JKR offers us instead is a very narrow picture of domesticity, showing a limited set of achievements for a limited set of people. Any sense of the general state of the world we get - the stuff I was talking about above where nobody seems to have learned anything - doesn't count here, because in my view we get that impression not because JKR wrote it in on purpose but because she glossed over that aspect of the story in the hope that nobody would pick up on it. Oh, I know in interviews she gave us details about specific jobs and so on - Harry became head Auror and Luna married Wicket the Ewok and Percy opened a successful BDSM club and Ruxpin managed a chain of specialist whisky importers and the rest of it - but I don't want to have to pay attention to interviews to find that stuff out. After all, how many future readers will bother to seek out this information? (You know, I could even go off into another enormous tangent around Roland Barthes and the Death of the Author and how once the text is out in the world, JKR no longer gets to say what is the "right" way to interpret it, and that this has implications for her attempting to assert control by giving out extra-book information about characters she didn't include in the epilogue and that, in turn, links back to my points above about "All was well", but god I'm so tired.) As far as the book itself is concerned, all we know is that both the "main" couples have kids now. FWIW, my own stance on this is that having kids is never automatically an achievement or a failure - it is utterly dependent on the person involved and the circumstances they are in and so on. So I'm not going to whine about how all the characters are completely degraded and ruined because having children always does that to a character. However, what does worry me here is that we aren't shown any other kinds of achievements or successes or character development - just that they've all got married and had kids, and therefore the implication seems to be that getting married and having kids is a be-all, end-all measure of happiness and success.

Take Hermione, for instance: in terms of the way her character has always been written, I think her career path is more interesting and important than whether she has children or not. Throughout the books she is consistently presented as clever, resourceful, relatively independent, hard-working, a perfectionist and so on, but not really very... domestic, I suppose is the word. In fact, the few times in the books that she does do anything domestic she generally cocks it up (she does some lumpy knitting in GoF, and fails to cook fish and mushrooms to an edible standard in this book). So hearing that she is married and she has children and, as far as we know, that's it - is jarring. Because, actually, if she'd been presented from the get-go as somebody who was interested in getting married and having kids (and not even as someone for whom getting married and having kids was her greatest wish - just someone who had shown any inclination ever towards settling down) then I'd be perfectly satisfied, because ultimately that would be in line with her character. But Hermione has never been presented that way; she's been presented as someone for whom measured, academic achievement is important (and another of her priorities is friendship, of course, but getting into friendship as a theme in the series would be a tangent too far for the moment). Getting married and having children has never been shown to be a particularly important part of her identity. But that's all we know about her as she is nineteen years on.

To an extent this all goes for Ron as well, by the way. All we know about him from this chapter is that he's got kids now and is married (well, and that he mindraped a driving instructor). Oddly enough, I can buy all this a little more easily in Ron's case because we know he likes things like home cooking and having someone else do his laundry for him. Huh.

But this development is, by far, the most glaring where Harry himself is concerned. I have real trouble buying this version of him: the well-adjusted, mentally healthy family man. It seems like a cop-out that after seven years of being the only one who could defeat Voldemort, of being manipulated by Dumbledore, of being famous for something he didn't choose, of seeing countless loved ones and allies and innocent people die, of being tortured and victimised, of internalising the idea that unforgiveable curses are sometimes OK - and this isn't even taking into account his abuse-laden, loveless childhood - Harry can shrug all that off and go back to being normal when he was never normal to begin with. (I will happily admit this is why I love angsty, post-DH Harry/Draco, but that's neither here nor there.)

What I'm getting at is, I find it really difficult to believe that Harry could so easily and happily get married and start cranking out the offspring. Even if he managed to deal with all that baggage on his own, surely the shock of suddenly, for the first time ever, having a "normal life" would affect him massively. Although I suppose we don't know how much therapy he's had in the last 19 years. Maybe right after the last chapter ended he got himself set up with a good gestalt therapist and has been seeing him/her once a week ever since. Somehow, though, I doubt it. (I bet if JKR was ever asked if Harry went to therapy, she'd say no, he didn't need it, and anyway there are no wizard therapists because no wizards ever need therapy. Like how there are no wizarding universities, you know? There aren't any because she says so, not because it actually makes sense within the confines of the world she's created.) There's nothing in the chapter to indicate that change, and OK, 19 years have gone by, but still, it would have been nice to have some indication that it took work for Harry to be happy with life, or that shadows still remain or something. It's all just too neat. A recurring theme in hero-saga stories is the thing where having gone through the massive quest and everything, the hero finds himself (it's usually a him) so changed by the experience that he no longer fits into the life he left behind, or the life he thought he'd have after everything was over. The uber-example is Frodo Baggins, of course, who finds himself utterly unable to adjust to life in the Shire and leaves for good; you also see this in stories that aren't necessarily about saving the world, just about getting home (off the top of my head, Neverwhere, Stardust, and Life on Mars all did this). And Luke Skywalker decides quite early on to permanently leave Tatooine. But here is Harry Potter, being all happy and cosy and normal, and showing no indication whatsoever that he's struggled to get here.

In fact, as I recall, in HBP doesn't Harry even say something about how the few weeks (weeks!) he spends going out with Ginny are like something from somebody's else's life? I find it difficult to reconcile that with the fact that he is Harry Potter, he will have been marked by his experiences and his life will be apart from other people's. If being with Ginny makes him feel like someone else - well, that strikes me as a cheap solution, not a deep one. Happiness, ultimately, is not actually this easy to obtain.

Ah, fuck this. Tl;dr. Let's just cut to the obligatory Star Wars moment, shall we?



Right. The uberwank is hereby finished*. I'm going to go and kick a house-elf or tell Teddy he was an accident or something.

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[info]o_deanna
2008-05-20 05:33 pm UTC (link)
Hahaha! Awesome. I agree with you whole-heartedly about everything. You're so right about the fact that all is not well, that the world is still completely messed up...

What a godawful ending. You've made it bearable by making me laugh just now. Hats off to you, my dear. xxx

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-05-20 08:52 pm UTC (link)
*Hugs* Thank yoooouuu! For all that this was wanky I had so much fun with this chapter - I got to actually wring some enjoyment and snarky giggling out of it. :D ♥

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[info]minnow_53
2008-05-20 05:39 pm UTC (link)
Whoa! I never clicked a link and saw my name and hyperventilated before! :) Even on the amazing Uberwank... Thank you! ♥ You know, it felt like a horrible irony that I ended my take on the epilogue with the notorious alliswell word, but my excuse is that I did write it a while before DH came out -- and had a bit of a WTF moment there too -- and there was a measure of irony. I think. But many big hugs to you!

I'm talking about the thing where, in the Potterverse, apparently you're not truly accepted into a family unless you marry a bit of it.

That killed me. I have married into the two crumbiest, most dysfunctional families you can imagine: great fodder for novels, if I could be arsed, but not much else. I bet Molly is the mother-in-law from hell to Hermione.

I love your analytical instalments, this one not excluded. I want to say at the outset that I was fascinated by your take on this, as I knew I would be, even at points where I don't agree 100%. The epilogue raised some serious questions about repression and denial: and like you, I feel you can't scare kids shitless with AK one minute and tell them everything's fine the next. I dunno. In one way, I love the epilogue, because my six year-old mentality likes to see the characters all married and happy with children. On the other hand, my real self, who is m with c, really freaks out at the gloss JKR puts on the whole thing. But I must admit that I like an unhealthy dose of denial, and like to see the happy ending, simply because it never happens in RL and it's nice to see Hermione all happy with Ron. But then I do stop dead. Didn't JKR actually write the epilogue before she'd written the whole series? And then not bother to change it in the light of what had gone before? Yeah, makes sense to me.

Harry and Draco exchange a brief nod, which spawns a thousand fics in which they work in the same department of the ministry/go on a "fishing" trip together/get magically bound to one another by accident/whatever, which leads, with a neat inevitability, to fellatio.

Do you think JKR did have some subtext in mind? :D The one single fic that DH inspired in me was an H/D taking place after the scene at King's Cross. Though I haven't written much of it. :(

Oh, yes, and I love the picture of Harry and Ginny!

There's one more post coming, and it's interactive!

*jumps up and down and squeals*

You deserve a virtual laurel wreath for this, O Great One, having faithfully, funnily and incisively finished your amazing project! I'll find the most suitable icon I can, though it won't do your achievement justice. Okay, I'm going to go for Ron's test, because I took thirteen driving tests before I passed, and if I could have put a spell on the examiner, I would've.

Gotta go now. *squishes* Can't wait for the interactive! :)

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[info]spacefragments
2008-05-20 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Though I haven't written much of it.

omg. you must write it! i'm so hooked on post-dh h/d thanks to the [info]hd_worldcup. i'd love to see your take on the ship :D

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-05-20 09:36 pm UTC (link)
*Dances* It's finished! It's finished! :D

I bet Molly is the mother-in-law from hell to Hermione.

Haha! Absolutely. And Ron refuses to get between them because Molly still cooks for him and washes his socks, whereas Hermione sleeps with him, and he doesn't want to risk pissing either of them off. :D I can imagine Hermione bonding quite well with Fleur over this issue. (Actually, now I think of it I sort of hope Hermione does clash with Molly, because if she doesn't - well, Hermione's always stood up for herself and argued against stuff she doesn't agree with and all that, and I don't like the idea of her just being sort of assimilated into the Weasley Hive Mind. Or something, anyway.)

Didn't JKR actually write the epilogue before she'd written the whole series? And then not bother to change it in the light of what had gone before?

Yeah, and doesn't it show? The sense I get from it is that thing I've written about before, where you can almost feel her trying to force characters to behave in a particular way even though they don't want to. (Funnily enough, this was one of the first chapters I wrote for the 'wank, but I ended up rewriting a lot of it when it came to posting it, because the tone was no longer right and so on, you know?)

The one single fic that DH inspired in me was an H/D taking place after the scene at King's Cross. Though I haven't written much of it.

Oh, it would be ace if you did write it! I agree, your take on that scene would be very much worth seeing. (No pressure or anything...)

PS. I don't want to be a total t00b about this but thank you - you've been so massively encouraging to me. I'm probably being an embarrassing fangirl and I'm not very good at being nice but... yeah. Cheers. ♥

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[info]evil_underlord
2008-05-20 05:58 pm UTC (link)
'...and start cranking out the offspring.'

I think you've just hit on the method of Harry's seeming stability. He's spent the last 19 years replacing body parts with robotics, blessing the gunmetal grey and laying organix to rest...

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-05-21 08:46 am UTC (link)
Dude, seriously, that explains everything. Including why Ginny has no personality: she, too, has super shiny metal.

Or something.

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[info]lefaym
2008-05-20 06:20 pm UTC (link)
For some reason, I can't read the epilogue without imagining Ron in a khaki muscle shirt that shows off his ever-expanding butterbeer gut. And Harry was laughing at Malfoy for having a receding hairline.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-05-21 08:51 am UTC (link)
LOL! That's probably the most in-character version of epilogue!Ron I've encountered. :D

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[info]spacefragments
2008-05-20 07:07 pm UTC (link)
LOL but bree could kick ginny's sorry ass without even messing up her hair.

ILU SO HARD. much agreeing, as usual. i thought that keeping the kids so ignorant of who he was was creepy too. where did they live? does he not let them read the newspaper? do his kids never go outside?? D: and those names, oh god. i want my dysfunctional potter family fic right now (teddy optional. he could be assimilated or rescued by andromeda). where is it?? it has to exist!

i was so dissapointed with the epilogue because it felt so hollow. that's it. harry was so... i don't know, i didn't connect with him at all (for all that he was a twat for 90% of the book, i still connected with him and the rest, at least a little). he was a stranger. a dull, weary stranger. ron seems to not have matured a bit, and it makes me so sad.
and who are all these kids, and why am i supposed to care? give me my trio, damn it! i want to know what they have been doing these past 19 years, what's going on with the wizarding world, what happened right after the war and how they all dealt with it, and all i get is this crap!

all was well was such a strange way to end the series. this is probably just me, but that line seems to say "all was well... for now". or "all was well... or wasn't it?" anyway, like the shit is about to hit the fan in some way (maybe ginny will find out about his madly passionate affair with draco, idk). maybe it's just that i was so dissatisfied with the ending that anything that doesn't close it and leaves it that way forever sounds good to me, even another war.

even the "it was all a dream!" ending seems like a more interesting options. turns out that little harry potter was diagnosed with schizophrenia at eleven and all his adventures were one big hallucinaton!

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-05-21 09:12 am UTC (link)
OK, so Bree vs Ginny is a fight I'd pay good money to see. Ginny would be like "ZOMG BAT-BOGEY HEX!!!1!1" and Bree would be like, "You are a very rude young lady". And then she'd shoot her.

where did they live? does he not let them read the newspaper? do his kids never go outside??

Yeah, and also, what happens when they get to school and everyone is like, "Aren't you Harry Potter's son?" and they're like, "... Wait, how do you know my dad?" D:

he was a stranger. a dull, weary stranger.

YES. That's exactly it. Who is this middle-aged guy and what is he doing in my Harry Potter book? And the random children... who?

maybe ginny will find out about his madly passionate affair with draco

Hee! Thing is, though, going by her character in the series as a whole... she'd probably yell at him for a week and then absolutely refuse to split up with him.

turns out that little harry potter was diagnosed with schizophrenia at eleven and all his adventures were one big hallucinaton!

I remember when that/the dream ending was a fic cliche. And then people started writing it well, and then the real epilogue was so bad that the hallucination ending made the most sense. WHUT.

ILU so hard right back, dude. ♥

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[info]elethian
2008-05-20 09:31 pm UTC (link)
Full disclosure: I like "Albus Severus".

But despite how everyone in fandom calls him that, clearly in canon he is already going by "Al". Nobody is even going to call him "Albus" except for formal addressings (Minerva or whoever is going to call him up to be Sorted as "Potter, Albus"). His middle name is going to be his sibilant sexy little secret. Except to Scorpius (Hyperion), of course. Whose name I also like. (As you point out, these names are no weirder than stuff like "Bartemius" or "Filius". And no Malfoy child is going to a Muggle school. It's not like he's going to be picked on by the other kids.)

As for Lily II and James II, I agree with your finger-sticky-down-throating. It's practically setting things up for Pottercest. (Funny, I don't mind Sirius/Regulus and Fred/George and Rodolphus/Rabastan -- but this? ewwww.)

"Because it's a nice name. A wizardly sort of name,"[...] while I think about Draco Malfoy and she thinks about whether she looks fat. Happy birthday".

LOL. So much LOL and win.

And it is a nice name. I lurve me the name "Severus". I am a hopeless fangirl (which I just typoed as "hopeful"), which probably invalidates my opinion, but I still think it's fun to say.

Of course, in the real world, it's only a suitable name for a cat, not a child.

I need a cat.

Ron explains it's because he, Ron, is really famous. Well, LOL, Ron! That was so fucking hilarious I've just literally pissed myself. Uh, no, actually, it's lame and stupid.

Aww, I liked that line. It was the kind of dry humour I really enjoy. I guess it's funnier addressed to the reader rather than as a line to the kids, though.

(That last sentence does, in fact, make sense.)

That is not the problem. This is: Change.... ;)

Percy opened a successful BDSM club

lol Awesome!

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-05-21 09:30 am UTC (link)
clearly in canon he is already going by "Al"

YES. I've only read a handful of next-gen fics but I already find it grating when you see something like, "James, Lily, Albus Severus - dinner time!" I love your idea that he shares it with his boyfriend Scorpius. :D

It's practically setting things up for Pottercest. (Funny, I don't mind Sirius/Regulus and Fred/George and Rodolphus/Rabastan -- but this? ewwww.)

Absolutely. I am partial to some Sirius/Regulus too, but it totally works because their family is supposed to be completely messed up already. These guys, on the other hand, are clearly supposed to be a perfect happy family. (And I've now totally got plotbunnies for a horrible dark fic involving James v2.0...)

Of course, in the real world, it's only a suitable name for a cat, not a child.

LOL! Totally. If/when I ever get cats they are all going to be named after my favourite villains/sociopaths. :D

Thank you and thank you for all your lovely words!

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[info]konishi_zen
2008-05-20 09:48 pm UTC (link)
Fantastic. I know I'm gonna be echoing everyone, but it's so true. I was just like 'WTF, man?' when I read the hollow epilogue. The first thing that went through my mind was "Whooo...Harry's into Weasley-cest" and I understand about wanting to honour a dead relative...but his parents? Severus? Uh...what the hell happened to Sirius and Remus? Why didn't they get namesakes if they were *sob* sooo important to Harry?

Plus the thing about Harry being all normal. I bet you that he probably has some weird fetish or occasionally idealizes suicide and goes on benders in order to deal with the tedium of his life. No one that emotionally scarred would be that sane. No one. Thanks JKR, for showing that you know nothing about the human psyche yet again.

Sorry about my own bitching, but you hit the nail on most of the irritating things about this epilogue and it just opened the flood-gates and stuff.

Can't wait to see the other one!

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-05-21 10:50 am UTC (link)
*Squeezes* Thank you! ♥

I bet you that he probably has some weird fetish or occasionally idealizes suicide and goes on benders in order to deal with the tedium of his life.

Oh my god, totally. I can just see him spending all day, every day bottling everything up and then, once every couple of months, going out and drinking himself incoherent and then getting a prostitute and finding himself unable to, uh, perform, so he just sits there and cries and then the next morning he wakes up under Charing Cross bridge. Or something like that.

At least, I hope so, because if not then he is just completely flat as a character, which sucks.

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[info]semielliptical
2008-05-21 12:09 am UTC (link)
Picture me nodding in agreement all the way through! And my biggest YES is for No, most of all I'm bothered because - to me at least - it's quite clear that nothing's actually changed. You do a great job of showing why this is a problem, at least for those of us who at one point thought or hoped there was something *there* in the books, a higher theme or a purpose or even just a description of change. Because if that were the case, I would be more willing to squint and overlook some of JKR's more pedestrian problems. But I'm not likely to forgive her for her inability to count or the unbelievable romances when she also sincerely thinks that "All is well."

The problem with Hermione - you're exactly right, it's not that she's married with children, that's fine, but that it's all we learn about her. I had always assumed her further career/education would be the *most* relevant thing we could learn about her future.

I'm restraining myself from talking about Sorting again, even though that always, always, bothers me.

You deserve a fandom medal for writing this! DH is the only HP book I haven't reread; I got a few chapters in last summer and got bored or distracted. But I did want to return and think about it again, so reading your take on things has been hugely fun and interesting and far preferable to rereading the book, alone.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-05-21 11:09 am UTC (link)
Because if that were the case, I would be more willing to squint and overlook some of JKR's more pedestrian problems. But I'm not likely to forgive her for her inability to count or the unbelievable romances when she also sincerely thinks that "All is well."

Absolutely. The overwhelming impression I get is that she doesn't know what she's writing - or at least, she doesn't reflect on it much. (A real turning point, for me, was reading one of her post-DH interviews where she kept saying things like, "My books are very character-driven". That was the point where I went, OK, you just don't get it, do you? Every book follows the structure of a school year, and you don't think they're plot-driven?)

her further career/education would be the *most* relevant thing

Yes. Even a line about, "How's work, Hermione?" or anything would have been better than nothing.

You deserve a fandom medal for writing this!

*Hugs* Aww! I have no idea how to respond to that really, but thank you! ♥

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[info]pinkalarmclock
2008-05-21 01:03 am UTC (link)
Aww..... :(
La Uberwank est mort :(

Hmm...time for Uberwank 2 : DH edition?

Em xXx

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-05-21 11:35 am UTC (link)
The Uberwank is not dead. It has horcruxes! :D

FWIW, I'm planning to do HBP. I'm gonna take a short break first and probably begin it in a couple of months. ;)

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[info]potterfreak0515
2008-05-21 01:43 am UTC (link)
Sorry if my thoughts are a bit scattered, but I just woke up from a nap - I wish I could get all my sleep during the day. I hate sleeping at night - so just... yeah.

I've never really been a Harry/Draco shipper, but it seems more and more appealing all the time.

As for your point about everyone growing up to marry their childhood friends, I completely agree. Except for Remus/Sirius. Because they are just too awesome.

And I really hate how all of Harry's kids are named after dead people. Especially since I read a fanfic WAY before book seven (back when I still read fics that weren't about the Marauders) in which Harry's kids were named Lily, James, and Albus. And Albus Severus as a name doesn't annoy me for sounding weird because wizards to have odd names (and I'm pretty sure Severus was just his middle name, not what he actually goes by). It does annoy because a) I still don't like Snape, and b) that poor kid has got a lot to live up to! He's only named after two of the most powerful wizards who fought against Voldemort. He'll probably have to see a psychologist. Unless of couse, you were right and Jo announces that the wizarding world doesn't have therapists. It's really sad that I can actually see that happening.

So I was really pleased with the names Rose and Hugo! They're not named after someone, so that made a nice change for me!

And the whole thing with nothing about the Sorting or blood purity changing really reminds me of the Kreacher-bringing-Harry-a-sandwich comment from the last chapter. Just like Dumbledore and Hermione always talking about how they should treat Kreacher better, Dumbledore mentions (twice, I believe?) that he thinks they should just do away with the Sorting Hat. And both times, it sounds really great - we're going to de-prejudice the wizarding world! But it doesn't happen. Jo writes it and then completely goes against it in later comments.

I think Victoire is a name, though. It's French, of course, and other sites have it listed. This site shows it and says that it's used in French speaking countries. And a Google search reveals that there was a Queen Victoire.

I'll miss the Uberwank, but I'm glad there's going to be one more chapter! This one was excellent, though!

I'd write more, but I really have to finish a paper (of which I've written 2 paragraphs) and e-mail it to my teacher by midnight!

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[info]potterfreak0515
2008-05-21 02:40 am UTC (link)
Actually, I was reading the comments and there's more stuff I ahve to comment on!

Kids being kept ignorant: I don't think they really were. It's just awkward to be goggled at. And I think Harry and everyone tried to stay as secluded as possible (but not like a hermit) and not focus on it much. Like Jo's kids! She never takes them out and she sued some newpaper for taking a photo of her son. So I imagine that she had something similar in mind for Harry. So they do know what happened, but they're still not totally used to being center stage.

It really pisses me off how Hermione is portrayed. I kind of identify with her (well, the logical part, anyway. Not when she gets all emotional) and it just disappointed me that all we offically get to see of her is that she has kids. Like you said, the epilogue seems to indicate that having kids mean you're automatically happy. The only person who doesn't have kids is Charlie. And possibly Neville. I think I lost my original point... I just don't like it.

Crazy Weasleys, marriage to be accepted as family: I completely agree with everything you said.

Random comment: Fanfiction has completely affected a lot of my views on canon to the point where fanon actually becomes canon for me. For instance, to me, Teddy is gay and he's dating Victoire and there is angst. And I have this whole scenario where he breaks up with Victoire after finding out about his dad and Sirius and then comes out to the whole Weasley/Potter family/his grandmother and angst happens because they wanted him to marry Victoire, but they still accept him and happiness ensues.

Oh god. I can't believe I wrote that long of a run-on sentence. My inner-Grammar Nazi is trying to kill me now. Um, I think my point was something about how the Next Generation is open to interpretation... I don't really know where that came from.

To be fair, the main characters had to get together with people they've known forever because it would just piss off too many fans if Harry got together with some random Bulgarian girl or something. And Ron/Hermione has been built up too much to randomly see them NOT together in the epilogue without any explanation. And Jo did show in interviews (arguably not official canon, but whatever) that Luna and Percy got married to completely new characters and Neville married someone who he rarely interacts with in the books. And Bill and Fleur met when they were older (though Fleur was only 17/18). And Draco as married to a new character (although her older sister was mentioned twice in passing). So I think that instead, the Harry/Ginny relationship should have been developed better. And it's boring to put characters we love with Original Characters. I flat-out refuse to read any fanfic that has an OC as the main character.

Anyway, I really want to thank you for all the work you've done! It was hilarious and awesome and jokes and... just yay!

And now I have two hours and 15 minutes to write my paper. Which would be a lot easier if it wasn't so boring and I wasn't so easily distracted.

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[info]mushroom18
2008-05-21 03:29 am UTC (link)
Haha! When I read "All was well." I actually imagined another sequel saying "BUT!"

I do agree that the contrived domesticity in the epilogue was so unsettling. I felt really bad for the Slytherins because prejudice is still there (the tables were just turned) and what's so "happy" about that? *still griping over the fact that none of the Slytherins fought to protect Hogwarts. You'd think at least some of them had non-Slytherin friends* I don't know. It just seemed so happy-fake to me.

Harry naming his kid after Snape has got to be the most out-of-character moment in the books since Remus Lupin stuck his dick in a woman. LOL.

At first I was disappointed that Luna wasn't mentioned in the epilogue, until I realised that it was horrible. I'm glad she wasn't! :P

Thanks for all the uber-wank! ♥

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-05-21 01:59 pm UTC (link)
Squee! Thank you so much! *Hugs* ♥

Haha! When I read "All was well." I actually imagined another sequel saying "BUT!"

Oh my god, that would be FTW. For serious, if Jo puts out a sequel in like ten years and it starts with, "All was well, but..." then my respect for her will go through the roof. Also, you will win the internet for having predicted it. :D

I felt really bad for the Slytherins because prejudice is still there (the tables were just turned) and what's so "happy" about that?

Totally. Even if - and it's a big if - even if most of the Slytherins in Harry's generation were DEs, that doesn't mean their kids are, nor does it mean any of the other random kids who've been sorted into Slytherin since are either. Anyway, did the Slytherins even have it that good back when Harry was a kid? They got screwed over for the house cup in the very first book! </ rant>

At first I was disappointed that Luna wasn't mentioned in the epilogue, until I realised that it was horrible. I'm glad she wasn't! :P

Me too. She's way too cool to show up, is the thing. :D

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[info]seductivedark
2008-05-21 08:44 pm UTC (link)
- it's quite clear that nothing's actually changed.

(sarcasm) Of course it did. Feminism willed out. Notice that the fathers are seeing the kids off on the train alongside the mothers, instead of poor old Molly dealing with the twins pretending they're each other (and she can't tell? yeah, right) and Ginny wangsting that she isn't going along with her brother, all alone. A huge blow for family togetherness... (/sarcasm)

...or Arthur actually needed to spend time at work to earn money to support that huge crew while Harry and Ron probably take off afternoons and play pool or something. For all the epilogue shows, Ron and Harry were both unemployed, along with their stay-at-home wives. Interviews after the book's been published don't count because, in a hundred years when this book is assigned to kids rather than read for pleasure (like anything by Dickens, Austen, Twain, etc.), no kid's going to spend the extra time in looking up authorial interviews. They'll probably avoid actually reading any more of the book than necessary, just like we did in school.

I'm going to have to flirt with Godwin's in order to explain what I mean, for which I apologise. Dictatorships, civil wars, fascist regimes, police states - these don't appear out of nowhere, they don't spontaneously pop into being. They evolve, arising out of hotbeds of political upheavel, social change, radicalisation, politicisation.

Don't apologize! Flirt away. Those intelligent ones are the sexiest for stuff like this. This is one of the big bug-a-bears in the epilogue. All was well because Harry's scar hasn't hurt him since Voldy died? All that means was that Voldy's horcruxes were all destroyed before he was killed. It doesn't mean another Dark Wizard isn't rising this minute, ready to plunge the WW into darkness and worse. Only, this Dark Wizard has the sense not to mark some youngling with part of his soul, so his (or her, a female would be a great Dark Wizard) movements and thoughts will be truly clandestine. Someone mentioned that once, and it was so true that I've incorporated it into my own personal views. For all anyone knows, the next Dark Wizard is standing on the platform along with Harry the Head Auror, and he doesn't have a clue.

(too many characters, part II below)

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[info]seductivedark
2008-05-21 08:44 pm UTC (link)
(part II because I'm long-winded)

At the base level, there's obviously still hostility between Gryffindor and Slytherin beyond a healthy sporting rivalry (evidenced by James's teasing of Albus, and Albus's distressed reaction, and Ron's comment about how his kid needs to beat Draco's in every test - although to be fair, Ron is a fuck in his own right, and Hermione does bollock him for that comment), and moreover we hear that "Grandad Weasley" would disown any grandchild who married a pureblood.

Yes! Prejudice is alive and well in the WW, and no one cares. So it's purebloods this time that are the target group, there is still a target group. That can create a mob mentality. Much easier to lead a mob than a group of intelligent, thoughtful people. I suspect that the politicians like it that way, since they can just start a screaming knee-jerk scare and get the people to go along with anything they dictate. Ripe for oppression, that's our WW.

The one big change I did expect was the equalization of the Houses. I can see administrative purpose to having houses in a school that can hold a thousand pupils or more, so I didn't expect the houses to just disappear. And, a good bit of competition is healthy. But this wasn't healthy competition that we saw at the platform, it was one child torturing another about a still-ostracized house. I'll bet little James is a bully, and his father's favorite of the two boys to boot. Just naming Al "Albus Severus" must have cost Harry some love in that direction, after Snape treated him poorly throughout the series, and it turns out that Dumbledore was grooming him for a sacrifice and only knew that there would be a reprieve after Voldy took Harry's blood in GoF.

Ah. minnow makes a great point: Rowling wrote the epilogue before she got into the writing of the series, and it really does feel like she's shoe-horning characters back into a mold that has grown too small (actually, the characters had grown too large). I suspect there are entire sections in the rest of DH that were written beforehand, too, though I can't point to any one. It's just a niggling suspicion that is at odds with the suspicion that the Hallows themselves were afterthoughts just to make Harry super-special. I have both suspicions, equally strong, at one time. I don't know how that can work, but it does.

Someone gave me this link, and I've been catching up. I agree with most of what you've written, though I feel a bit differently about certain ships and certain characters. Thanks for a great read!

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[info]vickythefluffy
2008-05-22 07:18 pm UTC (link)
I can't believe it's over*! (I adore that intriguing asterix - thank you, I can't wait!)

Sooo much joy to comment on, but LOL at Harry/Ginny = Rex/Bree!! Not only do we now know that Lily v2.0 will be a slut, but one of Jamesv2.0 and Al-Sev (*shudder*) will be gay - place your bets ladies and gentlemen! Ooh and I look forward to seeing Harry suffer a heartattack whilst being trampled by an elderly dominatrix. I am enjoying this HP/DHs crossover faaaar too much.

In regard to the brilliance of "these fuckers are all each other's friends on Facebook now", this is probably very true. They're probably all on there recruiting the new generation of Death Eaters (Face Eaters? Meh. But then eaters of death never quite made sense either). They can all be in a club and, when required, whoever the new Voldy wannabe is can just send everyone a poke! More convenient and less extreme than permanent body art!

Also, you and minnow are such a duo! I found out about your uberwank on her page maaaany moons ago and now you've reminded me of her again! Luuurve for you both! =]

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-05-22 09:40 pm UTC (link)
*Hugs* Thank you and squee! ♥ I've been in a hyper mood all week, I can't believe I've actually seen a project through to completion! :D

place your bets ladies and gentlemen!

My money's on Albus, for sure! :D Although I suspect that would be a sucker bet, I mean the payout isn't going to be high, is it? Why bother betting on the favourite?

OK, so I am annoyed that I have to spend the weekend writing an assignment, because I really really want to make that Facebook group in Photoshop now. Or just, you know, Harry's page or something. "Draco has MADE OUT WITH you with SuperPoke!" and "Ron Weasley wrote on your wall" and so on.

I LOL'd about Harry and the elderly dominatrix as well. But it's funny because it's true!

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[info]caelbriar
2008-06-03 05:29 pm UTC (link)
okay, bit of a slowpoke here. Just read your wank and had massive lols. I agree with almost everything you have said. The epilogue angered me to the point of seriously turning into the hulk and ripping the pages out (metaphorically, not literally. I spent real money on that sucker and there is no way I was going to ruin it.)

I hated book!Teddy but my fanon version of him is also far superior. I don't know why but I see everyone gushing about his mum and how wonderful she was and when it came it his father it turned into an "Uh...he really liked chocolate and...was a werewolf?"

IDK, maybe it's just my cynical side where I actually like seeing Lupin in misery because then he gets lovely snogs from his gay boyfriend but I just kept thinking, do any of them really know Remus?

Also, I see Andromeda as a huge bitch and being like "Your dad totally sucked balls. I'm not being ironic either. He was kind of a dick, did you know that he drank ALL the time and like, totally tried to abandon you. Not like your mother. She was a proper parent with awesome parenting skillz.

I don't know, that's just how I see Teddy...then he gives everyone he loves the finger and turns gay as well. That last bit is just my slashy side coming out.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-06-03 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I'm really pleased you had massive lols. :D I know what you mean about tearing out the pages - I didn't go quite that far either though! Although, while reading HBP and getting to that awful, terrible scene at the end where the R/T all gets revealed - without even realising I was doing it, I dug my nails into my forearm so hard the marks were still there the day after. That was a bad moment.

I like your fanon version of Teddy a lot, especially the gay part - although let's be honest, it's not like canon has a lot to go on! All we know is that a) he was born, b) he survived to at least 19 years old, c) he kissed a girl at least once, d) he has the speshul Stu power of magical blue hair. Oh good. *eyeroll* So yours is way better. And your Andromeda made me giggle.

Anyway - thank you so much for commenting! PS: have you voted in the Uberwank Awards yet? ;)

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[info]georgierae
2008-06-17 12:16 am UTC (link)
You. Are. Awesome.

i've just spent the last godknowshowmany hours reading the Uberwank, and i LOL'd pretty hard at some of it.

And despite the fact that i've only read DH twice (i couldn't put myself through the Epilogue of Crapness again) and didn't seem to mind said Epilogue on the 2nd time round, i still feel cheated.
Also, I'm with you on the Harry/Ginny Sucks Bus.

I'd write more coherently, but it's rather late and i'm rather inclined for a little sleepie!!

...did i mention you're awesome?

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[info]georgierae
2008-06-17 12:28 am UTC (link)
...um...that should probably have been the 'Harry/Ginny Sucks' Bus. Cos otherwise it's just weird.

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[info]seatricks
2009-01-14 11:47 pm UTC (link)
oh dear, this is going to be random. sorry about that! and also might no make that much sense at all, but. i'll try!

(for what it's worth, here is what i said about all this, back in the day. it's pretty brief, but i guess it illustrates my general thoughts well enough.)

well. like i said, totally random.


• hedwig's death. what the fuck, man? sure, it's not the biggest tragic insanity in the book, but that was what made me wonder, for the very first time, where the hell it was all going. and, behold: it went exactly into the direction i feared it go, yet even further than i had thought it could.

• all the fucking exposition. i used to bitch about how all the first four (or is it five?) books start with "harry potter was a wizard waa waa waa", but somehow jkr leaving that out made all the as-you-knows not very cleverly, to quote you, shoehorned within the story seem even worse. why can't she just assume the reader has read the previous books, and actually understood what has been said in them, without wasting pages and pages repeating herself? but yes, they kind of started out as children's books and as we know children are morons who cannot possibly understand any continuity. i don't even know, man. it just kind of dulls your brain until you can't think even if you wanted to.

• all the insanities, nonsensicalities, intertextual errors and inconsistencies this books is teeming with but i am too bored to name. just-- did she really think no one would notice?

• telling without showing, especially during THE FUCKING GREAT CAMPING MARATHON OF WHENEVER. the thought of the trio bloody camping with a magic tent while a war tears through the wizarding world is so fucking absurd, it's like from a really bad fic written by someone who simply couldn't be bothered to try and come up with an idea how the last great battle could have gone down, and instead left the kids in the woods forever. AND SHE ACTUALLY PUT THAT IN THE BOOK. well, almost. also, this = one of the coolest fucking things ever. to be even half as cool as this, this book would have had to be about three hundred times cooler. yes!

• also, i love the fact you asked you dad to beta-read bits of the überwank for you. :)

• neville = probably as awesome as the picture of the dolphin and the unicorn. far out, man! also, when he walks out of that portrait in the back of aberforth's pub or whatever? the coolest entrance ever, man! maybe even without the blazing guns and the trenchcoat billowing in an nonexistent breeze. :D i just love him so much, and he's developed into this great, interesting character. not to mention the story of his parents is totally heart-breaking, yet he doesn't cling to it, or sort of hide behind it, like certain someone who we also know as the-boy-who-lived-twice-or-three-times-or-who-even-cares.

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[info]seatricks
2009-01-14 11:48 pm UTC (link)
• luna. i have no words! she is just such a sweet, sensitive, strong-willed character. she has a personality, and it's not just that she is peculiar, she feels like a person to me. she also seems to really comfortable with herself, with who she is, and she's been that way from the very beginning. she has integrity, and i admire how level-headed she is, without being cold in the slightest (especially in contrast with ginny's "feistyness"). i am harry/luna shipper to a certain extent, meaning that i think she is the only person i'd like to see harry with, if it wasn't for draco. but i don't mean that in a degrading, sloppy second kind of way - i just think they'd be really good together. very different from how harry would be with draco, but good nevertheless. and i am kind of irked by how, in light of the chemistry that just happened to spring up between harry and her, she couldn't be the one for him? was she too strange, destined to be a loyal, yet cooky friend? oh, just fuck it. i love luna!

• which, nevertheless, takes us to - oh yes - ginny. i agree, she hasn't been treated fairly, character-wise. during ootp i thought she was developing into something, but during hbp, and especially during dh, she has, in my opinion, been reduced into something even less than she was in the first four books, which wasn't much to begin with. i haven't ever liked her that much, i admit, but in ootp she showed some signs of being likable, and i tried because i thought it was pretty clear she was the person harry was going to end up with. it's so weird jkr has treated her this way. is she trying to imply that ginny and harry are just OMG MEANT FOR EACH OTHER, despite the fact harry has shared all these important, touching moments with another person throughout the last three books? moments that have, oddly enough, greater depth than offers of birthday-sex.

• aaaand this complete lack of development when it comes to certain relationships brings us to the unholy union i like to call the marriage of one nymphadora tonks and the alcoholic werewolf remus lupin. so much has been said about this that i am going to keep this short, okay. i'll just say that-- well, i can't clearly express how wrong i think this business with getting married and having a child is, but maybe you get the point. and i am not a puppyshipper. i like both remus and sirius, i think they are great together, but it's no secret my interests and loyalties lie with harry/draco, and they probably always will. still, the thought of remus marrying tonks is just beyond absurd. i like the idea of constantly drunk!remus, btw. i'm pretty sure i'd hit the sauce if i was him. in fact, i think i would have started drinking right about the time that murderous curtain had stopped undulating in a menacing way. oh well. what i will never understand is this, though; how does she manage to portray warmth and closeness and believable, meaningful relationships between some characters, while utterly failing at scraping together something even resembling a human connection between others? how is that possible? bzuh. (i came up with a great way of putting the last part while cooking, but i got distracted by soup and then i forgot. oh well! it was broccoli soup. it was goooood.)

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GIANT COMMENT LIKE WOH XD - [info]fera_festiva, 2009-01-16 05:03 pm UTC (Expand)
I KNOW. SORRY! VOLDEMORT MADE ME WRITE IT. - [info]seatricks, 2009-01-17 12:20 pm UTC (Expand)

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