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Deathly Hallows uberwank: Chapter 30, The Sacking of Severus Snape
I can explain the delay on this in a single word: "essay".


So, at the end of the last chapter, woman-Carrow summoned Lord Voldemort by pressing her dark mark. By this stage I am so not bothered. Summon Voldemort, see if I care. He's pretty much the lamest villain ever. I could probably have him in a fight - a swift knee to the nutsack should sort him out. You want me to worry, try summoning one of the following, who are actually badass:


  • Darth Vader
  • Ganondorf
  • Christopher Lee in almost any role he ever played
  • Jeremy Paxman
  • An army of clowns
  • The one in Girls Aloud who got done for assault
  • Actually, Neville Longbottom, now I think of it

Anyway, back to the action - such as it is - of the chapter. We're in the Ravenclaw common room, and Luna right away stuns woman-Carrow. Then she and Harry go back to hiding under the cloaking device. Ravenclaw kiddies start appearing in the common room, stirred from their beds by the noise, and in a scene taken directly from Roald Dahl's Matilda, one of them kicks the unconscious Carrow in the arse. On the other side of the door, man-Carrow argues with the door to be let in, but is too stupid to know the answer. Then our old pal Minerva McGonagall shows up and, under his orders, answers correctly. I say correctly, but that's an assumption, based on the fact that the door opens. Really, as in the previous chapter, it's a meaningless question and it receives a meaningless answer. So it seems like the true Ravenclaw quality is not so much wit and intelligence as it is being a bit mystical and spouting crap. We've just seen McGonagall get through the door by answering what appears to be a basic element of her academic speciality, but in a sort of faux-spiritual hippy-dippy way.

So there's that thing, isn't there, where characters in fiction can only be as clever as the author who created them. For example, in Dan Brown's books - the Da Vinci Code and all that bollocks - we are constantly told that the main character is really clever and is a Harvard professor (of "symbology", which we are led to believe is this massively complicated art/science crossover discipline, but is actually very, very basic art history with a pinch of semiotics), but nevertheless the guy spends seven or eight chapters at a go not realising that something is a mirror image. That happens more than once, too. And the point is, it's all very well saying that Ravenclaws are really clever, but we need some evidence too. Frankly, I'd be much more impressed if, in order to enter their common room, the Ravenclaws were required to - say - solve a quadratic equation, translate a passage of Aramaic into Esperanto, or produce antimatter before they could go inside. Or at very least, they should be required to solve a problem using logic and lateral thinking. (Obviously, allowances would be made depending on age and experience; the first-years could do some colouring-in or something instead.)

I'm not saying JKR isn't clever. In fact, I often find myself impressed at how articulate and intelligent and all-round sound she comes across in interviews and so on (although I should point out, not every interview; I just as often find myself *headdesk*ing). It's just that... well, I get the impression she hasn't ever fully decided what the rules of her fictional world are, and rather than simply admit that, she tries to get around it by putting in hippy-dippy bullshit about how circles have no beginning and transfigured objects disappear into nothing, which is the same as everything, which makes no sense.

Man, I'm tired.

So, yeah, McGonagall and man-Carrow come inside, and argue for a bit over woman-Carrow, still unconscious on the floor. Man-Carrow flips out, as he knows Voldemort has been summoned but Potter is not there, and McGonagall sasses him, pointing out that Harry Potter is a motherfuckin' Gryffindor, thank you, there is no way he'd be trying to get into Ravenclaw. There is rather a lot of underlining of the point that Voldemort told the Carrows that Harry might try to get into Ravenclaw, so we have confirmation that the horcrux is a Ravenclaw relic - but wait, hang on. Voldemort knows the diadem is in the room of requirement, doesn't he? So why would he be so worried about Harry getting into the Ravenclaw common room? Unless this is just about Voldemort getting to Harry so he can kill him, but if that's the case then this doesn't confirm anything really, except that Voldemort understands Harry very well. Ugh, whatever.

Man-Carrow continues to babble angrily, eventually declaring that if Voldemort shows up and is pissed off at the apparent false alarm, they can just blame it on the kids, or else they can order the destruction of the planet Alderaan - either way, something that shows what a massive evil bastard he and his fellows are. McGonagall refuses to allow this; he argues that she doesn't get to decide what is allowed and what isn't, and just in case you were in any doubt about how much of a bastard he is, he spits in her face. This is the final straw for Harry and his CAPSLOCK OF DOOM, so he tears off the cloak and tries to say something badass, only he's pretty stupid so what comes out is "You shouldn't have done that", and he hits the dude up with a Cruciatus curse:

The death eater was lifted off his feet. He writhed through the air like a drowning man, thrashing and howling in pain, and then, with a crunch and a shattering of glass, he smashed into the front of a bookcase and crumpled, insensible, to the floor.

- UK edition, p477

Now, in only a few hours' time Harry will sacrifice himself in a big old messiah gesture. And when that happens, I will argue that this big messiah gesture would have more gravitas if Harry hadn't tortured an unsuspecting opponent here. Just a thought.

Professor McGonagall disagrees with me, and even says that Harry is gallant, if a bit stupid, and she urges him to

PRINCESS LEIA: Run away, far away. If he can feel your presence, then leave this place.

- Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi

... but Harry isn't down with this shit. He knows that he must find this bloody tiara or the rest of his outfit will just look really stupid Voldemort will win or something. Just then, man-Carrow starts to come around from that torture curse Harry just hit him with, so McGonagall demonstrates exactly why she thought said torture curse was "gallant" and puts the imperius curse on him, making him hand over his wand and then lie on the floor next to woman-Carrow, so that they can both be tied up. Yeah, yeah, I know they are bastards too, but I admit to feeling a little... unsettled by how nonchanantly McGonagall does that.

They talk things over for a while, and it is decided that the students will be evacuated via the Hog's Head pub; Harry isn't worried about them, since Voldemort will be way too interested in what's happening at the school to notice hundreds of students going to the pub in the middle of the night. Dude, I wish I'd gone to school at Hogwarts, if that's the level of control that is exercised over the kids. McGonagall ties the Carrows up in a net hanging from the ceiling and they leave the common room, Harry and Luna back under the cloak, somehow, even though they are adults and it's a cloak - but as has been previously discussed, the cloak is a Mary Sue. McGonagall summons the other heads of houses using three cat patronuses - which I think is a) the first time we get on-page confirmation that your patronus is the same as your animagus form, if that is the case, although maybe McGonagall just really likes cats; and b) the first time we see one person produce more than one patronus at a time.

They are apprehended on their way downstairs, though, by a duel challenge from none other than Professor Snape! (Hi, Snape! Just FYI, you're going to die soon.) I was about to get all excited because this is the first time he's in the book, but of course he was in chapter 1 and the chapter with the Potter clones and he's been stalking Harry and sending radioactive woodland creatures to tempt him into ponds all year, so I guess he's been here all along. In our hearts.

But anyway. There is a little banter/flirting between Snape and McGonagall, mainly concerning where the Carrows are and if Harry Potter has turned up to school (because, frankly, if he has, he's very late) and then a duel occurs, involving ropes of fire that turn into snakes and stuff like that. It's pretty cool. They seem to be more or less equally matched, so the fight continues back-and-forth until your old HP chums, Professors Flitwick and Sprout, show up. Behind them comes Slughorn who is some dude who was in the last book and is fat and stuff like that. I bet McGonagall's heart sinks when she sees them because they are all such massive nerds. I mean, she summoned them and all, but they start trying to help with the fight and I bet she's like, "Guys, you're embarrassing me". Maybe.

The fight finishes in a slightly less badass and more amusing way, when Snape simply runs away down a corridor before - this is the best bit - jumping out of a window and flying off into the distance like a ROFLcopter. He leaves a "Snape-shaped hole" in the window, which I rather like. This business concluded, McGonagall gives the other teachers a summary, which is basically, Voldemort is like coming and stuff. Flitwick and Sprout both gasp, but Slughorn "lets out a low groan", which strikes me as vaguely amusing because it implies his reaction is not "SHIT SHIT SHIT" but "dude, not this again". They agree to meet in the great hall, evacuate the students, and then start kicking some ass. Professor Sprout runs off to wake the Hufflepuffs, babbling to herself about all the hilarious cartoon plants that she will use to keep Voldemort and his death eaters out of the school. So, yeah, I guess a tentacula and some devil's snare might be useful for making the bad guys trip over and therefore graze their knees or lose face, possibly even both, but if you really want to stop the death eaters killing everyone... wouldn't something horribly poisonous be the way to go? If only it were daylight... I can imagine Giant Hogweeds being particularly useful, but, of course, they need the sun to photosensitize their venom. Surely Hogwarts would have Hogweeds in its grounds? Right?

Um.

So yeah, then Harry asks Flitwick if he happens to know where the lost diadem of Ravenclaw is, and Flitwick is all like, well, it's lost, dumbass. Harry panics, because if it isn't the diadem then what is it? You know, it's lucky that it is the diadem in the end, because given how stupid Harry can be, if it wasn't the diadem he'd be totally fucked.

Now it's Slughorn's turn to sum up his house in a single gesture (you knows it - McGonagall has just been Gryffindor-style "brave", i.e. thrown curses around; Sprout has run off to do a whole bunch of work, whether or not it is helpful; and Flitwick has pwned Harry with his superior intellect, although that's not difficult when your opponent is Harry). Slughorn basically chickens out and makes noises about how maybe if they all just go and eat some sweets and don't think about it, it'll all blow over. McGonagall pretty much threatens to kill him if he or any of the Slytherins try and get in the way of the rebellion. He fucks off, muttering, "At least I have chicken" under his breath as he goes.

Next minor character we haven't heard from yet in this book but I suppose he'd better make an appearance because otherwise someone, somewhere, will make a fuss is... Filch. Oh good. He provides some unfunny comic relief by shouting about how the students are out of bed. McGonagall pwns him and tells him to find Peeves, and my heart sinks slightly, in an "oh shit, Peeves is going to be in the book soon" kind of way. Then Filch, in his turn, fucks off.

Next, in the knowledge that the death eaters will probably be throwing avada kedavra curses left, right and centre, McGonagall... makes a bunch of statues and suits of armour come to life. Presumably she is relying on simply freaking out the death eaters who will be all like, "FUCK FUCK THE SUITS OF ARMOUR ARE ALIVE THAT'S WRONG" and will then run away. Or I guess maybe the suits of armour are like robots, only they don't have lasers and aren't really as badass as robots but the wizarding world I guess doesn't do robots.

Robots are cool.

OK, so after this Harry and Luna head back to the room of requirement; on the way, the students who are planning to GTFO point at him and go on about how IT'S POTTER LOL because they are kind of stupid. Of course it's Potter, who else do you know who actually emits the song "Eye of the Tiger"? Once back at the room, Harry mouthbreathes in surprise as he gazes upon the assembled crowds. Even more of our favourite HP characters have shown up - if Harry Potter ever gets made into a musical, this will be the big ensemble number that uses elements from other songs with all different parts of the chorus singing over each other. There's Lupin, slightly crosseyed and swigging from a hipflask (Hi Remus! Just FYI, you're going to die soon); here's Oliver "I got" Wood; here are a bunch of other people; oh good, here are the Moron Brothers Weasley twins (Hi, Fred!); it goes on. Harry gives them all a debriefing - he explains that "We're fighting" which, despite the snark, makes me go all shivery, which is because I am a complete pinko and I can totally imagine them singing "the red flag" as they march on to battle. As the crowds head for the great hall, Luna and Dean join hands, and I am pleased that I spotted that because after this book came out, there was a certain level of squeeing over Luna/Dean as a pairing and I had no memory of this bit at all and I could not for the life of me figure out where it was, and there it is. (I'm fairly neutral on Luna/Dean, for what it's worth, although I like them both as characters and they seem like nice people and I can see it happening, they seem to get on - which is presumably why JKR announced in an interview that Luna ended up marrying some guy named Rolf, and Dean wound up with Mon Mothma, which, frankly, I don't think anyone saw coming.)

So, most of the chorus assembled impromptu army heads down to the great hall for the big medley number war counsel, leaving behind a small group of soloists main characters. Ginny is kicking off, because she is underage and therefore should be evacuated, but she wants to stay and fight. I guess it's an admirable stance, and later she does actually do some fighting - and she manages to survive the battle, which I suppose shows that she can kick ass, even if we don't see it. This, by the way, is me trying to be fair and not let the fact that I don't think Ginny was written well colour everything I say about her. And she does survive, which Remus Lupin, former DADA teacher, doesn't (although he probably died of liver failure given all the whiskey he's imbibed over the last year or so). I really am trying to be fair about Ginny, because it's not her fault she is badly written. But the problem is, I guess, that with the way she is at this stage, the only way I can make myself like her is to remind myself that it's not her fault she's badly written.

So, Ginny is kicking off about not being allowed to fight. Molly says no, Bill backs Molly up, and - this is the part that I think is really significant - she appeals to Harry, who says no. He refuses her permission to fight. I think it's interesting to compare this Ginny with Ginny during the climactic chapters of OotP; there, Harry tells her (and Neville and Luna) that they can't come, and when he says she's too young, she tells him outright that she is coming and that she is older than he was when he did half the shit he's done. She doesn't leave him with a choice and she certainly doesn't work on the assumption she needs his permission. Here, by contrast, we see her arguing with her mum and then appealing to Harry for his permission, which he refuses to give. That just makes me think of a kid who asks Mum for something and gets a no, and therefore goes and asks Dad instead. (It's not just kids, of course; an annoyingly high number of customers at work will ask one of the librarians for something completely fucking outrageous, like "Will you do my project for me?" or "Can I take one of these computers home?" and then, upon getting a no, will come and ask me.)

My point is, this is a crucial moment for defining Harry/Ginny (who, according to JKR, are "soulmates", remember; I don't think it's unfair to say that she considers their relationship to be more or less ideal). It sheds an awful lot of light on the dynamic of their relationship. And it's especially frustrating when we look at how she was back in those chapters of OotP, where, OK, it was still all about the bat-bogey hex (FOR FUCK'S SAKE) and her being feisty, but at least she had the bollocks to do stuff.

Anyway, just as Ginny is about to stomp off to be evacuated, there is a commotion, and someone falls into the room from the Hog's Head passage. He's familiar, and instantly recognisable by the horn-rimmed glasses he wears. You know, originally, I had a whole sequence written where this was that guy from Heroes who wears horn-rimmed glasses, and he'd brought a bunch of other characters and due to the power of crossovers there were characters from other series there as well, only it wasn't funny, and if there is one rule underpinning the Uberwank it is the rule of funny. Also, when I had that idea Heroes was on TV here and I was all like WOH HEROES IS FUCKING AMAZING and the series ended before Christmas and it's now March and honestly, my current mini-fandom is no longer Heroes, as good as it was. Look, it's Percy Weasley, all right. Sigh.

Woh, though! Awkward moment for the Weasley clan. Fleur attempts to lessen the tension by enquiring about that one baby that Remus somehow managed to produce; through the fog of even more of the Jack Daniel's of which he has become so fond, he starts bellowing at her. Fleur grabs his hipflask from him and takes a giant chug and joins him in shouting. He passes around a photo of little Ruxpin. We get a description, but frankly, given that this kid = 1980s toy-influenced name + ability to turn bright colours + werewolf heritage, I can't imagine him as looking like anything other than this:



Percy, who I guess is also drunk, bellows even louder that he was a dickhead and a moron and all the rest, and Fred just agrees with him and even insults him. Percy, who in his private life is a sub (as in submissive, not submarine roll - that would just be stupid), takes it all and more. This is good enough for Fred, who glomps him; Molly pushes Fred off and practically mates with Percy in her happiness. Actually, there's a thing: Molly doesn't burst into tears and start hugging Percy until Fred has accepted Percy's self-flagellation and offered a handshake. It's like Fred is some kind of Weasley family ambassador. I wonder if he seized that position, or was elected to it? Because I wouldn't have voted for him, 'mjust saying.

Uh, so that's pretty much the end of the chapter. Only other plot points of note are a) that Ginny is allowed to stay in the room of requirement and b) that Ron and Hermione have GTFOed to "a bathroom", which as we will soon discover is the bathroom where lies the entrance to the chamber of secrets, which I will duly fanwank over when they get back.

And finally, the chapter ends on another convenient Voldevision update; Voldemort is outside the school gates! Shiiiiiiiit! What lessens his impact slightly, though, is the fact that he is wearing Nagini draped around his shoulders and, presumably, singing that song by Britney Spears where she is wearing a snake in the video. I thought it was "I'm a Slave For You", but I've just watched it on Youtube and there's not a snake in sight. Either way, Britney and Voldemort have never been seen in the same room together, and both have been bald, so clearly there's something weird going on here.



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[info]minnow_53
2008-03-19 01:40 pm UTC (link)
That Giant Hogweed is scarier than anything in any of the Harry Potter books, but it's sort of pretty... Thank you for the link! :)

if there is one rule underpinning the Uberwank it is the rule of funny.

And it is funny! :D Especially this instalment, where I lol'd several times and frightened the cats, who are not actually patronuses but could be for all the use they are. Harry and his tiara started me off, and it went on from there, till we got to the picture of Teddy, which is a classic. As for the musical idea, it is brilliant and should be implemented right away. Now.

Of course it's Potter, who else do you know who actually emits the song "Eye of the Tiger"?

Had to quote this, just because it's totally brilliant, though unfortunately you've now got the damn song in my head. Remember Pop Idol? I LOVED that programme, and used to discuss it on Digital Spy.

So there's that thing, isn't there, where characters in fiction can only be as clever as the author who created them.

That's an interesting point, and I love your example. In fact, only you could actually get me to a point where I might consider some day actually reading The Da Vinci Code. Just so I can laugh and point at Dan Brown, even if he doesn't see me doing it. Or I hope not, anyway. 0_o

Thank you for the laugh and for being so consistently entertaining! I've spent the morning clearing my RL inbox, which was full of communications about work dating back three years, and I was just in the mood for the Uberwank! Well, I usually am. :)

Many ♥

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-19 06:58 pm UTC (link)
Oh, man, I love the Giant Hogweed. I love how it is pretty much a triffid, only real. It's funny! ... and unsettling.

I might consider some day actually reading The Da Vinci Code. Just so I can laugh and point at Dan Brown

I can highly recommend the Da Vinci Code et al for precisely that reason. The plots (of the two I've read, at least) are near enough identical, you can spot the red herrings, the villain, the love interest etc a mile off, and the main character is the biggest Marty Stu I have ever encountered whilst also being unbearably stupid. The puzzles and riddles are the sort of thing you'd give a bright eight-year-old to keep them occupied on a long journey. Definitely so-bad-it's-good territory.

As for the musical idea, it is brilliant and should be implemented right away

Lurking somewhere on my USB I have a half-written post along those lines... maybe I should finish it.

You are way too nice, by the way - I never know what to say to your lovely comments. So, many ♥ back.

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[info]indigoinsomniac
2008-03-19 02:14 pm UTC (link)
Oh this has made my day so much better.
I just had a delightful row with my mother, so I was on my way post an entry angsting about it but for some reason I came here instead only to find that you had updated!
I've been reading the Uberwank for afew weeks now (can't remember how i found it) and thought it was high time i made my presence known.
Oh, and I was also wondering if I could friend you?

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-19 07:07 pm UTC (link)
Yes, of course you can friend me - I am always delighted to make new friends. :) Thank you so much for your lovely comments!

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[info]indigoinsomniac
2008-03-20 07:13 am UTC (link)
Thanks a bunch!

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-20 10:43 am UTC (link)
No prob. :)

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[info]pinkalarmclock
2008-03-19 03:15 pm UTC (link)

nevertheless the guy spends seven or eight chapters at a go not realising that something is a mirror image



That's ALWAYS pissed me off. Langdon is SUCH AN IDIOT! It's a brand, meaning you stamp it and you see a pretty picture. You don't see the pretty picture before, because its a mirror image.....
Didn't it take him a chapter or so to realise the 'strange number sequence' in the Da Vinci COde was Fibbonaci numbers?

Another good fanwank :)

Em xXx

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-19 07:16 pm UTC (link)
The thing is, I could overlook the mirror image thing - and the Fibbonaci thing and the pointless riddles - if Langdon was, say, a seven-year-old child. But we're supposed to believe he's a Harvard professor. FAIL. :D

And all that stuff in - I can't remember which one, but it's one of the Langdon ones - about the word pattern things that are the same if you turn them upside down. *Googles* Ambigrams! Anyway, it goes on and on about how they are incredibly complex and only a genius can design them blah blah blah. Again, FAIL.

Thanks for commenting. :)

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[info]pinkalarmclock
2008-03-19 07:54 pm UTC (link)
Angels and Demons

When he was all ' No-one has ever been able to replicate them GASP'
I was very o.0
Its really not that hard....

I was VERY annoyed that despite all his 'Vatcian Libary is GOD' stuff, and using tongs to turn pages (???) he still had no problem with taking a Gallilo folio outside.

HYPOCRITE!

hehe

Em xXx

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-19 10:35 pm UTC (link)
Yeah totally. "Nobody has ever been able to replicate them... so here are, like, five of them!"

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I can feel the anger, welling within you.
[info]evil_underlord
2008-03-19 03:21 pm UTC (link)
Even the Emperor, whose whole schtick is about remaining in the shadows until the time is right for your strike, would consider force lightning-ing cruciating someone from under a rug a pretty low blow. When the time is right to strike, you do so openly and with glory. (In fact, he uses Anakin's willingness to attack the defenceless (and Luke's strong urge to do the same) as a way of keeping him subordinate.)

I call shenanigans!

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You also feel Vader's dick in you, biatch.
[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-19 07:18 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, it is a low blow. Gryffindors are supposed to be like these textbook heroes but their poster-boy attacks someone while invisible? Tosser.

Which brings up the question of what house Vader would be in. Gryffindor? Because he does it all out of love? Or some such crap?

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[info]spacefragments
2008-03-19 09:58 pm UTC (link)
oh god, i laughed stupidly hard at the teddy!photo. LOOKS JUST LIKE HIM.

everyone is drunk with either power or alcohol in this one. hahaha.

ps. i has something for you. ;D

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-19 10:33 pm UTC (link)
I just commented over at your journal but it bears repeating: FUCK YES. :D

Yes, the photo above is totally Teddy - but it's clear that he has more of Remus's genes than Tonks's genes. Because if he had more of her genes he would be SPARKLY!!!1!!11

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[info]lefaym
2008-03-20 06:39 pm UTC (link)
I think the way that we're supposed to read the "Ginny asking Harry permission thing" is that since her parents-- legal authority figures-- have forbidden her to fight, she's appealing to Harry because he's probably the only person who could convince them otherwise. But the fact that Harry thinks he has any right whatsoever to say "no" to her is just... ick, particularly since, as you point out, she fights Death Eaters in both OotP and HBP.

I've commented before about the crucio-- so disappointing. I mean, I know that Harry tried to use it in the previous two books, but I always thought that the reason he couldn't was because deep down, he didn't actually want to cause anyone that level of pain, and his attempts to do so were driven only by the fact that someone he loved had just been murdered. The imperios in the previous chapter sucked a bit too, but in so many ways (I think you may have commented to this effect yourself earlier) that's not really much more morally ambiguous than the way that they retcon obliviate all the Muggles who cross their paths (of course it'd be nice if Rowling acknowledged that it was morally ambiguous at all). But, back to the point, Harry's crucio doesn't only cheapen his messiah-schtick-- it also, I think, cheapens the grief that he felt for Sirius and Dumbledore.

And, don't you love the way that when Remus turns up, Harry has completely forgotten his whole "parents shouldn't leave their children" thing?

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-20 08:54 pm UTC (link)
Hee - icon twins! :D

And, don't you love the way that when Remus turns up, Harry has completely forgotten his whole "parents shouldn't leave their children" thing?

That is an excellent point. Maybe by this point Harry has finally realised they are in a war. Or maybe he just no longer cares once the woman has given birth. :-/

But the fact that Harry thinks he has any right whatsoever to say "no" to her is just... ick

Yeah, exactly. It implies she puts him on the same level as her parents in terms of the control they have over her. Which speaks volumes about their relationship. Even if Harry is respectful or whatever to her, she seems to see him as an authority figure. Ick indeed.

Your whole second paragraph - no point quoting it all back - is spot on. He can't do crucio even when Sirius has been killed because he's just too darn good - which actually ties in quite well with grief/love being what allows him to shut Voldemort out - but he can do it here as a matter of "don't diss my homies, yo". If JKR had played with this idea, and showed him becoming more hard-hearted and cut off from others or something, this could be really interesting, but we are supposed to believe Harry comes out of all this psychologically healthy. Ugh. What you said, anyway.

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[info]lefaym
2008-03-20 10:38 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that one is my new favourite icon. Though I like my cute smiling Ianto too. :)

About Remus-- maybe it's because this time he didn't walk off, but, like Harry, told his little woman to stay at home where it's safe and all (I certainly got the impression when Tonks shows up next chapter that Remus had told her to stay at home).

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-22 12:37 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I got that impression too. I wonder if that's supposed to imply the same thing that Harry telling Ginny she can't fight is supposed to imply - i.e. I love you so much I want you out of harm's way. Leaving aside the part where I can't believe, not with a single neuron, that Remus loves Tonks, I think it's interesting that that is presumably meant to be a good, healthy thing. We don't see that dynamic between every couple - Ron and Hermione, for example, work together in the battle - so I wonder what JKR is getting at.

Ianto icons FTW. I need more. :D

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[info]lefaym
2008-03-22 08:28 pm UTC (link)
I think that's what it's supposed to imply, though it is interesting the both Ginny and Tonks go ahead and fight anyway, and I think we're supposed to believe that this is a good thing. Just another example of the way that Rowling is deeply conflicted about gender roles-- I think she genuinely wants to portray women as equal, but she just has too many unexamined assumptions to get there. It's kind of like people who assume that we have gender equality now, so there's no need for feminism: they accept the principle that there should be equality, but they are blind to many of the inequalities still exist.

Speaking of Torchwood, actually, (Season 2 spoilers ahead for anyone who hasn't seen it yet!) it's interesting that the whole "man protecting his woman from battle" is reversed with Gwen and Rhys in the episode Meat(though don't get me started on the whole "hero gets the girl" thing in Something Borrowed).

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-23 01:44 pm UTC (link)
I think she genuinely wants to portray women as equal, but she just has too many unexamined assumptions to get there

I agree wholeheartedly. She'll put in supposedly strong female characters, but then the way women in general act is at odds with the way men do (e.g. women lose their powers for love while men don't; women are hysterical and so on). I think that discrepancy between what she says outright and what she implies shows up in other places too - for example, she throws in a bunch of ethnic minority characters, but all the main characters are white and end up in relationships with other white people, in many cases having previously been in relationships with minority ethnic characters (e.g. Harry with Cho, Ginny with Dean, arguably Hermione with Krum), which makes me pretty uneasy. Or Dumbledore is gay, but celibate - he wasn't having any of that GAY SEX or anything, don't worry! And so on.

I don't think JKR is by any means racist/sexist/homophobic - she obviously means well - but it's like she deals with surface inequality while failing to challenge the underlying stuff (e.g. Tonks is feisty and cool and therefore a Strong Female Character. Then she falls into obsession and loses her innate ability to change her appearance - but Harry doesn't lose his ability to speak Parseltongue while he's into Ginny in book six, for example).

It's kind of like people who assume that we have gender equality now, so there's no need for feminism

Yeah. There's no need to work against female stereotypes because two of the Hogwarts founders were women, just as there's no need for feminism since the equal pay act, right? *eyeroll*

Ugh! I'm ranting, sorry.

That's an interesting point about Meat. I was too busy during that episode laughing at that line "What have they done to you, my friend" or whatever it was, to notice the Rhys and Gwen dynamic - but that is an interesting point about them. I do generally like them as a screen couple, though. The "hero gets the girl" thing, though... whut. :-/

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[info]semielliptical
2008-03-21 03:06 am UTC (link)
Ruxpin photo!! Hahahaha!!

I get the impression she hasn't ever fully decided what the rules of her fictional world are

Yeah - it's very hard not to waste time wishing that she had used a serious, critical editor who would have made her deal with at least some of the hand-waving and inconsistencies. I don't care that JKR knows the names of random unknown people Neville and Luna will hook up with someday, I wish she had instead figured out how more things *work* in her world.

I will argue that this big messiah gesture would have more gravitas if Harry hadn't tortured an unsuspecting opponent here. Just a thought.

That disappointed me in a few ways; it seems to me that it could have possibly made some kind of sense for Harry's story, if he had used Crucio at a more crucial moment, and if he had showed serious regret or agonized about the choice to use it or something like that.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-22 01:22 pm UTC (link)
I don't care that JKR knows the names of random unknown people Neville and Luna will hook up with someday, I wish she had instead figured out how more things *work* in her world.

YES. I remember in one of her many interviews-that-make-me-headdesk, she mentioned that magic isn't supposed to be "an exact science", but then there seem to be quite concrete rules for some things, plus they go to school to learn the exact right way of doing spells, so which is it? If the rules were always abstract and magic was supposed to be unexplained and mystical, that would be fine.

I agree with your point about crucio, as well - if for whatever reason it had been presented as necessary, it could have been a really interesting way of developing Harry's character. (Not to mention an interesting comparison with Snape, who of course had to AK Dumbledore when he didn't want to...)

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[info]a_pious_cruelty
2008-03-22 02:22 am UTC (link)
I get the impression she hasn't ever fully decided what the rules of her fictional world are
I agree with you and [info]semielliptical on this one. It seems like JKR wrote herself into various magical corners in DH and just decided to make up complex, often nonsensical loop holes. Most of the magic in DH, really, is unnecessarily complex. There's a bit too much "you can access x only under the full moon on a Thursday night, if you're hopping on one leg and singing the American national anthem - backwards" for my taste. And she seems to break some of the magical (and ethical) rules that she's made up before. Harry's cloak is super magical and such, can't be summoned, etc - and yet I seem to recall Moody's eye could see through it. But maybe I'm thinking about it wrong.

although maybe McGonagall just really likes cats
Now my mind is heading in an Aberforth/goat direction. I'm not sure which is more disturbing.

This was the perfect reward for finishing the CSS. Thank you.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-22 01:40 pm UTC (link)
Well, thank you for reading. :)

she seems to break some of the magical (and ethical) rules that she's made up before

Yeah, this bothers me a lot. We see (for example) water and flowers and chairs and sleeping bags and live animals being created by magic, but you can't conjure food? It's possible to produce heat and light from a wand - so what supplies the energy for that? And the cloak inconsistencies, as you mention. As I've said in another comment, I wouldn't mind if there were no rules at all, and the kind of magic we see was the fairy-godmother kind, but there do seem to be rules. It forces your disbelief back.

Now my mind is heading in an Aberforth/goat direction. I'm not sure which is more disturbing.

LOL. Well, at least McGonagall can turn into a cat - and cat/cat is less worrying than human/goat any day... isn't it? (I'm sure I once saw McGonagall/Mrs Norris fic somewhere - that was weird.)

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[info]a_pious_cruelty
2008-03-23 03:20 pm UTC (link)
I've seen (almost) cat!Snape/cat!McGonagall/Mrs. Norris. It was promptly followed by Snupin - in human form. It... worked, actually. But I have read far stranger pairings.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-23 05:16 pm UTC (link)
o_O

The weirdest I think I've ever read was NC-17 Snape/Giant Squid that was deadly serious (I believe it included the phrase "tentacles wrapped around the smooth velvet of my cock") but what you just said there... wow. That's pretty special. I want to know what the "far stranger pairings" were! :D

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[info]a_pious_cruelty
2008-03-24 10:33 pm UTC (link)
"tentacles wrapped around the smooth velvet of my cock"

*dies* Gotta love the bad porn.

Ginny/Wormtail. As in the rat. Narcissa/Colin Creevy. Hooch/Sprout/McGonagall. Hermione/Hermione (involving the time turner). Moony/Hagrid. Sirius/Stubby Boardman. Fake!Moody/Moody. Harry/Peeves. And my personal favorite, Hagrid/Umbridge. I'm far too curious for my own good.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-25 09:58 am UTC (link)
AHAHAHAHA. Those are all amazing - and what's worrying is, I find myself going, "OK, fake!Moody/Moody, I can see how that could work". I need to bleach my brain.

All this said, there are some fairly dodgy pairings in canon, at least by implication. Hagrid's mother was a giant, but his dad was a normal man? I don't really want to consider how that one worked. Engorgement charm? Stepladder?

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[info]a_pious_cruelty
2008-03-26 01:11 am UTC (link)
Love your icon ;)

I'm glad that I'm not the only who has looked at Hagrid and wondered, "How?" It makes me think of a scene from Lil' Bush involving Lil' Cheney and Barbara Bush...

Ngh... Could I borrow some of that bleach?

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-26 10:48 am UTC (link)
Your icon's pretty cool too. ;)

It makes me think of a scene from Lil' Bush involving Lil' Cheney and Barbara Bush...

*twitches* o_O

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[info]sonofabiscuit77
2008-03-25 04:34 pm UTC (link)
Love your list of Those Who Are Truly Badass, I think the one from Girls Aloud you were thinking of was "tragic" and "lonely" Cheryl Cole (ahem).

Great wankage again. Laughed out loud at the Ruxpin picture! Fabulous. Where did you find that hideous thing, though I'm not sure I want to know. The funny thing is that Voldemort & the snake really did make me think of Britney Spears & snake too or maybe Salma Hayek in From Dusk Till Dawn, though he probably isn't that cool.

I am truly in awe you managed to find so much to say about this chapter because really, nothing much happens, aside from the Snape - McGonagall fight which was pretty cool and there was of course the Potter gallant crucio. Looking forward to your thoughts on the next one :D

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-25 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Ah, of course - Cheryl Cole! Poor, tragic, lonely, heartbroken, incredibly wealthy Cheryl Cole.

Thanks for the compliments. :) Ruxpin was, I think, courtesy of some ebay retailer specialising in 80s toys (it's a Werebear, something I wanted very much as a kid, mainly because its head and paws were reversible).

or maybe Salma Hayek in From Dusk Till Dawn, though he probably isn't that cool

I LOL'd. :D

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[info]potterfreak0515
2008-03-26 11:29 pm UTC (link)
Voldemort knows the diadem is in the room of requirement, doesn't he? So why would he be so worried about Harry getting into the Ravenclaw common room?

I think it's because he suspected Harry would figure out that the last Horcrux was something of Ravenclaw's, but Harry wouldn't know where it was, so he'd look for it in the Ravenclaw common room.

It's just that... well, I get the impression she hasn't ever fully decided what the rules of her fictional world are, and rather than simply admit that, she tries to get around it by putting in hippy-dippy bullshit about how circles have no beginning and transfigured objects disappear into nothing, which is the same as everything, which makes no sense.

I've commented about this before and everyone else has already talked about it, so I'll just say that Jo's lack of a set of rules is one of main problems in the books.

The Cruciatus thing is something that my dad and I have argued about several times. He thinks Harry should be badass enough that he's willing to use force or something. And while I can accept that arguement in a different situation - say, when Bellatrix killed Sirius - it's total BS here. First of all, a stunning spell would have knocked him out and taken care of the problem, but the fact that he had it in him to cause that much pain because Amycus spit at McGonagall just pisses me off. Insulting his teacher make him angrier than killing his godfather?

I can better understand the excessive use of the Imperius Curse, but wouldn't a stunner have worked just as well half the time? McGonagall could have stunned Amycus and taken his wand instead of using an Unforgiveable Curse!

I'm not going to go on about Harry/Ginny and female roles because everyone else has already discussed it to death.

The picture of Teddy = win.

And a random note, the Ravenclaw "passwords" have convinced me that Trelawney was a Ravenclaw.

And sorry, sorry, sorry for not commenting earlier!

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-27 10:53 am UTC (link)
Oh my god, don't be sorry! I'm always so flattered anyone wants to comment on anything I say - seriously, I am such a review whore. :D

I think it's because he suspected Harry would figure out that the last Horcrux was something of Ravenclaw's, but Harry wouldn't know where it was, so he'd look for it in the Ravenclaw common room.

... OK, that works. (BTW, I think it's funny how I'm always like "RAH RAH RAH THIS IS STUPID" and you're like "Well, how about this explanation" and I'm like "... Yeah, good point". :D )

First of all, a stunning spell would have knocked him out and taken care of the problem

Yeah, exactly - and earlier in this book, Harry is all about using disarming or, at worst, stunning spells because he's just that good/noble/etc. It seems quite out-of-character for him to suddenly be both able and willing to perform crucio now.

I can better understand the excessive use of the Imperius Curse, but wouldn't a stunner have worked just as well half the time? McGonagall could have stunned Amycus and taken his wand instead of using an Unforgiveable Curse!

Again, agreed. It just seems completely gratuitous when she could have disarmed or stunned him, magically tied him up, modified his memory, turned him into a table - there are all sorts of alternatives. Whereas, when Harry uses it at Gringotts - OK, it's a bit unnerving that he does it at all, but at least there is a case for it being necessary.

And a random note, the Ravenclaw "passwords" have convinced me that Trelawney was a Ravenclaw.

That's a very interesting point. I'd never really thought about her house before, but that works very well (and after all, Luna, who also spends a lot of time talking rubbish, is a Ravenclaw too). I suppose part of being intelligent is having imagination, regardless of how you use it - so that might mean Einstein's "thought experiments" or it might mean Trelawney's making-up-crap sessions. :)

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