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Deathly Hallows uberwank: Chapter 29, The Lost Diadem

TITLE CRAWL: It is a dark time for the Rebellion. Although the Death Star has been destroyed, Imperial troops have driven the Rebel forces from their hidden base and pursued them across the galaxy. Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group of freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Hoth...

- Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back


So, right at the end of the last chapter, that killer badass Neville Longbottom showed up. He is all covered in battle wounds, wearing a tie as a bandana, and has the death sentence on twelve systems, but despite being such a hard nut is happily hugging our intrepid trio with completely undisguised enthusiasm. After this love-fest, Neville takes a little angel dust and the four of them head down the passage behind Ariana's portrait. Ron remarks that he didn't know the tunnel was there; after all, it isn't on the Marauder's Map.

There's a point. Harry knew about the resistance movement at Hogwarts, didn't he? At least, Luna will have told him a fair bit over that month they spent at Shell Cottage. And since before Christmas Harry's been fwapping over Ginny's dot on the Marauder's Map every five minutes in an attempt on JKR's part to show me that they have a twu wuv. You'd think, since they are not at Hogwarts themselves, he might have sent the map to Ginny/Neville/Luna?

Wanker.

As they make their way down the passage, Neville first asks them what they've been up to - at one point, he says, "People have been saying you've just been on the run, Harry, but I don't think so. I think you've been up to something", which makes my heart ache; the faith Neville has in Harry! The painful irony in what he just said! Neville, Harry's been camping! Following this, he fills them in on what's been happening at the Hogwarts end. It boils down to the following:

  • Neville Longbottom is a badass.

Seriously. He has taken repeated beatings and torture. Despite this, he has formed, co-ordinated and led an underground resistance movement. Even after the other leaders (Ginny and Luna) were out of the picture, Neville carried on fighting. He used the fake galleons from OotP to communicate with other rebels, something that didn't seem to occur to the trio (in the Ministry, for example). He seems to have a good idea of how to rally the troops - he says that Michael Corner was tortured and he (Neville) "couldn't ask others to go through what Michael did", so he changed tactics. Not only have they been resisting by explicitly refusing to do what they are told, they've been releasing prisoners, and, in addition, been daubing the walls of the castle with revolutionary slogans, like "Dumbledore's Army, Still Recruiting" and "Hasta la Victoria Siempre".

And, in the meantime, what was Harry "The Boy Who Lived" Potter doing?

  • Fucking up a visit to a graveyard.
  • Camping.
  • Robbing a bank.
  • Jumping in a pond in winter with no clothes on.
  • Fwapping.

Neville embellishes his account of badassery with details of this year's curriculum, which is mainly doing the cruciatus curse on each other (Neville subverted the message of this class by playing Cruciatus's hit song, Constant Vigilance, at top volume) and being bombarded with anti-muggle propaganda. Even Neville's gran got in on the act, doing something so bad to Dawlish that I cannot even begin to repeat it here (by which I mean it's not in the book). Whatever it was, it was so badass that he is still in hospital. Whether she chanted "You're going home in a fucking ambulance" as she cursed him goes unrecorded. However, we can be fairly sure that at the exact moment this was going on, Harry was having a wank.

Soon, they arrive at Hogwarts, and emerge straight into a room which we will soon discover is the room of requirement. It is filled with hammocks and bookcases and stuff like that; additionally, there are banners up for three of the Hogwarts houses, but not the fourth. I bet you can't guess which one is missing. Oh, that's right, that would be Slytherin! Because including even one Slytherin in the rebellion is apparently too much like adding complexity. I don't get why there couldn't be just one or two - from a year other than Harry's, perhaps, so they wouldn't even need to be people we'd met before, they could be whoever. It wouldn't matter much in the grand scheme of things - it wouldn't affect the plot, really - but it would lend weight to the idea that the upcoming battle is an actual battle in an actual war that actually matters, rather than merely a Harry Potter Popularity-Fest.

For the time being, at least, a Harry Potter Popularity-Fest is exactly what this is, as the assembled crowds inside the room rush forth to pat Harry and glomp him and generally worship his greatness. All your favourite characters are there, as are many you won't remember or sort of remember from OotP or somewhere. Everyone begs Harry and his Crew for tales from the battlefield, little knowing that this battlefield was a campsite. They seem to be labouring under the impression Harry is there to lead them into some kind of badass showdown, whereas Harry just wants to figure out what the Ravenclaw horcrux is and GTFO as soon as he can.

For the benefit of the trio, and for us, Neville explains that it was just him hiding in the room to start with, but then a bunch of other people turned up and the room expanded to fit them in. Also, as long as you tell the room not to let you be found, it will hide you for as long as you like. Some of this explanation is provided by Seamus (for it is he), who finishes with "Neville's the man!" Yes, Seamus. Neville is totally the man.

The assembled crowd start to ask some awkward questions about, if the thing where they released a dragon is true... why did they break into Gringotts? Voldemort, sensing that Harry could do with a diversion, makes Harry's mobile phone ring hits him up with a vision. From this, we learn that Voldemort knows the ring horcrux - which, you will remember, was hidden in a ruined shack - is gone. He is angry and stuff.

Harry comes back to the main screen and explains to his crowd of homies that they need to do something, but they can't say what, and then they need to GTFO. The homies are disappointed. And, I have to say, why can't Harry tell this lot what the mission from Dumbledore is? Haven't we spent this book learning that Dumbledore was fallible? Neville even tears Harry a new one, pointing out that in Harry's absence, they kept Dumbledore's Army going, proved their loyalty to Harry and his Crew, kept fighting and so on. Here they all are, ready and willing and eager to fight, and Harry isn't interested. I get the feeling they've spent the year looking forward to this moment, listening to Potterwatch and dreaming of the time that Harry will return and lead them into battle, and it turns out he's rubbish. There's more than a hint of "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" about it, or something similar, anyway. Actually, maybe it's more like the time I met Philip Pullman, one of my idols, and he was kind of rude.

As this argument is kicking off, the tension is broken slightly by the arrival of Luna and Dean, and shortly after this, Ginny, Fred, George, Lee Jordan, and then Cho Chang right after that. Ginny smiles at Harry, and we learn that he had either forgotten how "beautiful" she is or had never truly appreciated it in the first place, but "had never been less pleased to see her". That, to me, sums up their canon relationship: you're beautiful, but I don't want you by my side in times of trouble. Later, he supports Molly in insisting that Ginny doesn't fight in the battle. I think we are supposed to assume that he feels this way because he loves her so much and doesn't want her hurt, which is fine, except that what I actually take from the text is that he doesn't think she's capable of being any help. After all, Luna is the same age and she fights; Harry doesn't insist that Hermione or Ron (his patronus Happy Thought, remember) stay out of the battle.

The growing crowds are pissed off about not being told what's going on, so Harry compromises. First he calls for attention, in doing so silencing Fred and George, "who had been cracking jokes for the benefit of those nearest". I'm so glad I never had to work in an office with Fred or George. They'd be the tosspots with the sign reading "You don't have to be mad to work here, but it helps!" who make unfunny remarks throughout staff meetings, crack jokes while you're trying to talk to them about serious business, insist on observing comic relief, and refuse to shut the fuck up and act like a fucking adult for a fucking second. Yeah, so Harry gets the attention of the class and makes a deal: they can help him find the big important thing that he is looking for, that is probably something significant or some kind of relic connected with Ravenclaw, and that will help them all to bring Voldemort down. He isn't going to tell them what this big important Voldemort-destroying thing actually is (i.e. that it's a horcrux, a piece of Voldemort's soul), but don't worry about that.

Luna suggests it might be the lost diadem of Ravenclaw, and of course she turns out to be right, although we don't find that out for a bit. The other Ravenclaws take the piss out of her, given that the diadem is meant to have vanished with Rowena Ravenclaw herself, like a thousand years ago. Am I the only person bothered by the alliterative names of the Hogwarts founders? They've always struck me as a bit... nursery-school, I guess. (I was also planning on sporking "Rowena" as being too modern a name, but I've just looked it up and it dates from the 12th century, possibly earlier, so frankly I am talking bollocks. I sometimes get so wrapped up in yelling at Ginny Weasley for being a useless n00b that I forget that JKR does actually know her mythology and all that, for the most part.)

So. Given that the diadem has been lost for around a thousand years, Harry begins to feel that perhaps it isn't the horcrux after all; nevertheless, Cho points out that the statue of Ravenclaw in the common room is wearing it, and she can show Harry if he wants. Ginny, who is Harry's soulmate, spits like a cat, pins Cho to the ground and scratches her eyes out. Ah, the power of love. (If you've played Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, you know when wolf!Link rips out a poe soul? It's like that.)

Actually, this is maybe a good time for a tangent about Harry/Ginny and their version of love. Back in chapter 24 I talked about how Dumbledore defined love as being inextricably tied up with grief, and how grief is something Harry and Ginny haven't really shared, which is one of the reasons I have trouble buying their relationship as one of soulmates, etc. I got thinking, and realised that there is one thing that Harry and Ginny share, perhaps in lieu of grief, and that's jealousy, or possessiveness. Harry first realises he likes Ginny in HBP when he sees her kissing someone else; Ginny, as we have seen repeatedly, takes badly to anyone showing any kind of interest in Harry, even friendliness, and even when that person is, what, ten years old.

Overall, I find it interesting that the concept of love is one of the sites where what JKR says and what she actually implies with her writing are at odds. (Another one is humour, and another is to do with her treatment of women characters). Dumbledore, who in some ways acts as JKR's mouthpiece through the books (although he isn't the only one, of course), defines love as being about grief and loss. However, when JKR writes relationships, one of the things that seems to underlie almost every supposedly successful, lasting relationship she writes is jealousy. It's not just in Harry/Ginny; Ron is jealous when Hermione writes to Krum, and in turn Hermione is jealous of Ron's short-lived fling with Lavender - so jealous, in fact, that she attacks him physically.

I should probably make it clear that I don't think jealousy is completely abnormal within a passionate relationship - in fact, when you're head over heels, a little jealousy of that kind is natural, even if it's not always healthy. But in every case here, the couples in question aren't even together when we see them getting jealous. In fact, the only case where the couple are together that I can think of is in OotP when Cho storms out of the cafe - but given that they're supposed to be on a date, it's Valentine's day, and he tells her he's off to meet up with another girl, I'd say Cho's jealousy is about the most rational instance of it in the books.

Anyway, due to Cho's untimely death (no Bothans, since she doesn't actually die) at the hands of Ginny, it's Luna who shows Harry to the Ravenclaw common room. The room of requirement provides a staircase which spits them out somewhere random each time - those wacky wizards! - this time starting them on the fifth floor. Under the Mary Sue Cloaking Device, they make their way to the common room entrance, which is guarded by a door which is a hippy. Seriously. In order to get past the door you don't need to give it a password; instead, it asks you a meaningless question and you give it some bullshit back and if it deems the bullshit you offer to be worthy bullshit, it lets you in. In this case, it asks whether the phoenix or the flame came first - to which Luna gives the utterly pointless response that "a circle has no beginning" which means nothing whatsoever and makes me angry. I guess this is just a reframing of the old "chicken and the egg" question, except that it's obvious that the egg came first, because egg-laying reptiles evolved before birds, so it's a really dumb question. Luna explains that this is how they roll in Ravenclaw: if you can't produce bullshit of a high enough quality, you just have to wait for someone else to show up and bail you out, "so that you learn". I don't think that allows you to learn, I think it teaches you that you can ride off others if you're prepared to wait long enough, but anyway.

Ugh, so, their bullshit is sufficient and in they go; they examine the statue of Ravenclaw herself, which is wearing a tiara "not unlike" Fleur's wedding one. Was Fleur's wedding tiara supposed to be a red herring or what? Because it sort of gets mentioned in the context of horcruxes a couple of times, as if we're supposed to think it's the horcrux, but then it isn't, and it isn't really important, it's just another tiara that is in this book. Huh.

Finally, the chapter ends as Harry steps out from under the cloaking device, and the female Carrow sibling is there and she summons Voldemort by pressing her dark mark. Man, I know what that means and you know what that means, so why do I feel the urge to apologise for making a dirty joke? Ugh, I am twelve. Yeah, so we have a cliffhanger! I think pretty much every chapter from now on, except the last one that isn't the epilogue and the epilogue itself, ends on a cliffhanger of sorts, but their impact is diminished given that everyone in the entire world read this book in a single session, fuelled by coffee and sweets. Didn't they?

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[info]evil_underlord
2008-03-04 03:48 pm UTC (link)
except that what I actually take from the text is that he doesn't think she's capable of being any help.

What? Hasn't Harry seen all the badass shit that Ginny can pull off, all those incredible spells like the... the... the Bat Bogey Hex and... actually, I think that Harry's got a point there you know?

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-04 04:57 pm UTC (link)
Don't forget all the goals she scores in quidditch! And her dancing mane of sunlit hair!

I agree, I don't think she's at all useful and I'm surprised she survives, or I would be surprised if this were reality. As it is, JK Rowling clearly thinks Ginny is a badass, so I guess she must be a badass. Even though she isn't, in fact, a badass.

Or something. :-/

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[info]oddsbobs
2008-03-04 05:27 pm UTC (link)
ah, Neville.

The whole book would have been more entertaining if we followed him around.

Of course, JKR would then probably screw up his character, so I guess we should be grateful.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-04 07:09 pm UTC (link)
Haha, yeah, totally. I don't know what it says about JKR's writing in this book that the best characters are the ones barely in the story (well, except Ginny) and the best ships are the ones that aren't canon... :-/

I'm glad most of Neville's badassery was left off-page, really, as it implies we couldn't even begin to imagine the action-movie shenanigans he's been involved in. :D

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[info]air_and_angels
2008-03-16 07:52 am UTC (link)
Neville wearing a tie as a bandanna reminds me irresistibly of Simon Pegg in Shaun of the Dead. You know that's the kind of action hero Neville would be.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-16 12:03 pm UTC (link)
He could easily take on a zombie, too. A whole horde of zombies. ;-)

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[info]air_and_angels
2008-03-16 06:20 pm UTC (link)
And they wouldn't be called 'Inferi,' a name which always strikes me as, well, inferior.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-16 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Agreed, "inferi" is a stupid name. If Neville ever encountered inferi, he'd pwn them so easily - he could just set his newly-tamed zombie horde on them.

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[info]air_and_angels
2008-03-17 04:14 am UTC (link)
He tamed them by feeding them the severed limbs of his enemies, and playing Grand Theft Auto with them.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-17 11:30 am UTC (link)
Ha! Yeah, and later they graduated to playing Resident Evil in preparation for their coming battle with the inferi. :D

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[info]spacefragments
2008-03-04 06:21 pm UTC (link)
i never thought i'd say this, but i'd rather read about what neville's been doing instead of harry's lameass adventures and wanking. dear god.

what jkr thinks of ginny (badass!ginny) and the way she writes her (useless symbolic trophy for harry) are in total contradiction. that sucks. well, that's not the only character that suffers that fate, but it's the most obvious. this "she's very powerful! you've just never had the chance to see her in action" thing she keeps insisting on doesn't work in a literary work, sorry.


jkr sucks at developing romantic relationships, for the most part. we're probably supposed to think that ginny's jealousy is funny and part of ginn'y omg so wonderfully fiesty personality, but.. uh. she just comes off as ridiculous and irrational. i like ron/hermione, but MY GOD do they get irritating at times.

(If you've played Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, you know when wolf!Link rips out a poe soul? It's like that.)

hahaha. now i kinda want to draw ginny ripping out cho's soul with her teeth. D:

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-04 07:37 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, word to all of that.

It's weird because Neville gets away with doing most of his ass-kicking off-screen, partly because he does loads of ass-kicking on screen too and partly because we don't expect him to be up to much. But we are constantly hearing about how Ginny is amazing and sexx0rz, and then even when she's right there in the story she doesn't do anything remotely badass... well, unless irrational jealousy counts as badass. Which it doesn't. :-/

I agree that the jealousy thing is probably meant to be funny, but... it's not, it just makes her seem petty and immature. Maybe I would have thought Ginny was pretty feisty and cool and stuff when I was like 8, but not now.

Also, yeah, Ron/Hermione is cool but sometimes I wish they would STFU.

now i kinda want to draw ginny ripping out cho's soul with her teeth

DO IT DO IT DO IT :P

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[info]lefaym
2008-03-04 09:31 pm UTC (link)
Ginny smiles at Harry, and we learn that he had either forgotten how "beautiful" she is or had never truly appreciated it in the first place

That cliche bothered me even on my first reading of this book, where I had suspended all critical thought and was just enjoying the ride. Three weeks later, I read Predator's Gold and my love for Philip Reeve was increased threefold with the line "He'd forgotten how ugly she was".

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-04 10:25 pm UTC (link)
Me too - obviously I'm nitpicking like woh for the Uberwank, but on release night I was pretty much enjoying myself immensely and, oddly enough, that line was one of the ones that brought me back to reality - sitting on a grubby sofa yamming sweets at 5am. I may even have made the sticking-fingers-down-throat gesture, even though there was nobody else there.

I'd forgotten that line from Predator's Gold, but fuck yes. :D

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[info]minnow_53
2008-03-05 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Actually, maybe it's more like the time I met Philip Pullman, one of my idols, and he was kind of rude.

Right, I am not going to reread His Dark Materials then! *is indignant on your behalf*

I wonder whether Rowling was doing some self-insert stuff on Neville here, as she's one of two sisters. Perhaps she always felt inferior, but got out of her sister's shadow and wrote Harry Potter and made history and so on... Neville's always been more sympathetic than Harry, or more rounded anyway, though I accept that third person limited isn't best for showing the POV character. Anyway, that's a roundabout way of agreeing that he totally kicks ass in DH. Though I feel sorry for Harry without a plan; perhaps another metaphor for Rowling, because she has to go through a school year as usual, without the school, just so the battle can come neatly at the end of the summer term, as it always does except in PoA. I bet she stalled about a million times writing the middle section. Though the thought of Harry camping made me smile. Especially when I think of his lipstick in PoA: The Movie.

Moving on, that was another lovely analysis. I love your point about Harry, Ginny and jealousy: never thought of that before, but of course it really is their motif, isn't it? I felt really sorry for Cho in that scene as well. :(

I'm so glad I never had to work in an office with Fred or George. They'd be the tosspots with the sign reading "You don't have to be mad to work here, but it helps!" who make unfunny remarks throughout staff meetings, crack jokes while you're trying to talk to them about serious business, insist on observing comic relief, and refuse to shut the fuck up and act like a fucking adult for a fucking second.

Brilliant. :) ♥

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-05 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Ah, I dunno... if Philip Pullman wasn't kind of rude and arrogant I don't think HDM would be as good as it is, so I wouldn't write it off on those grounds. :D

perhaps another metaphor for Rowling, because she has to go through a school year as usual, without the school, just so the battle can come neatly at the end of the summer term, as it always does except in PoA

The thing is, though - why? (That both is and isn't a rhetorical question...) In some ways I wonder if it might have worked better not to stick to the school year structure for the final book - partly because it would have cut out all the camping, but also because we've come to expect a year-long story and breaking away from that structure would have been a way of showing that Things Are Different Now. Or maybe it would have just been confusing.

I felt really sorry for Cho in that scene as well

Yeah, me too. Cho comes across as really nice in the books, and I read her offer to take Harry to the common room as just generally trying to be helpful and friendly and no-hard-feelings-ish. I don't get the Cho-hate that seems to persist in fandom, either. :(

As always - thank you for your warm-fuzzy-inducing comments. :) ♥

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[info]ivakas
2008-03-06 07:46 am UTC (link)
Are there any Neville ala Che Guevara icons? If not I should make one.
I loved to see Neville so much I could cry, which I was doing at that point anyway after the reading marathon.
When I think about it I would say it was the best part of the book.
From this chapter I did not know what the hell was going on anymore.
There were occasional fantastic moments - Trelawney and her crystal balls of doom and Malfoy punching, but I really cannot tell what else happened.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-06 10:48 am UTC (link)
I had the same thought about Che!Neville. I had a go at making an icon, but it was a bit rubbish - I couldn't find a good picture of Neville. (It's here, anyway...)

But yeah... Neville is such a badass. I love him. He is by far the coolest character in HP, in my opinion, because he doesn't try to be cool, he just is. JKR doesn't tell us he's cool, but his actions speak for themselves.

This whole section is confusing and big, I agree. From here onwards is the most Star-Wars-ish part of the book - it basically replicates the end of Return of the Jedi. :-/

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[info]a_pious_cruelty
2008-03-07 02:53 am UTC (link)
Gah! I almost missed this.

That, to me, sums up their canon relationship: you're beautiful, but I don't want you by my side in times of trouble.
That's pretty much why I used to be a Harmonian (gasp!) - Hermione was there, at least. Of course, I was also fourteen.

Because including even one Slytherin in the rebellion is apparently too much like adding complexity.
Word. This bothered me while I was reading - and that is noteworthy, because hmm... chapter twenty-nine.... over five hundred pages into the book... yeah, I was reading late at night, it was the last book, and I didn't give a damn about quality just as long as I found out what happened. But that bit of what-the-fuckery managed to penetrate my sleep-deprived mind. No matter what the sorting hat says about house unity, etc, the Slytherins are always evil, the Gryffindors are always infallible (and it's okay for them to use Unforgiveables), and the Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs are... just there, really. It seems that the most significant thing they do is sometimes contribute pertinent information (except Luna, who, in my opinion, almost matches Neville in sheer awesomeness). But that's just my take. JKR almost does some interesting things with Grindelwald and Draco, but she never commits. I did like that she played around with dictator!Dumbledore; as you pointed out last chapter, though, Dumbledore's backstory is a little sudden. Argh. I’ll be quiet now.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-07 02:18 pm UTC (link)
Haha, that's an ace icon.

the Slytherins are always evil, the Gryffindors are always infallible (and it's okay for them to use Unforgiveables), and the Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs are... just there, really

YES. I also hate how Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff seem to support Gryffindor by default - for example, cheering when they win the house cup in the first book, even though Hufflepuff come last as a result. I hate the way they seem to put loyalty to big special Gryffindor above themselves.

I agree about Luna, though - she is awesome as hell. I put less emphasis on her amazingness because she's always been fairly amazing, whereas Neville starts off shy and timid and becomes the wizarding world's baddest motherfucker, so his transformation is more obvious. Doesn't mean Luna isn't also a badass, though. *g*

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[info]potterfreak0515
2008-03-09 11:23 pm UTC (link)
Sorry I'm so late in reviewing this! LiveJournal didn't send me a notice that you'd posted and I only found it because it sent me one about the birthday thing you just posted.

The founders all having names with alliteration doesn't really bother me so much because Jo created them back when HP wasn't as serious as it is now. I believe the first mentions of their full names was in CoS, but I'd wager that she had created them before PS was published.

I don't think Harry could have sent the map to Neville, Luna, and Ginny because he didn't have an owl, and even if he did, they'd probably have ways of tracing the owl back to him.

And don't get me started on Slytherin. Jo has said several times that there are good Slytherins and not all Slytherins are evil, but she never shows it! Every single Slytherin in the school leaves during the final battle! Not ONE stays behind to help.

The Ravenclaw "password" annoyed me as well. It's a stupid way of keeping out people from other houses and it could lock even Ravenclaws out.

I think the reason Harry doesn't want Ginny to fight but is fine with Luna fighting is that he cares about Ginny more than Luna. But it's all stupid anyway.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-10 11:36 am UTC (link)
The alliterative names thing only sort of bothers me, I guess... and other characters with alliterative names (like "Severus Snape") don't bother me at all. I don't know, I think it's the thing of every founder having an alliterative name - as well as the fact that - as you say - it was appropriate for the tone of the earlier books, but the tone has changed so much. Ah, I dunno, I'm just being wanky. This also goes for your excellent point about the map being traced back to Harry. :)

The Ravenclaw "password" annoyed me as well. It's a stupid way of keeping out people from other houses and it could lock even Ravenclaws out.

Yeah, exactly - I can't see (e.g.) Hermione having any trouble with the questions it asks. Whereas, given that the Ravenclaw quality is wit/intelligence but not necessarily hard work, there might be any number of Ravenclaws sufficiently lazy to just wait for someone else to show up.

I think the reason Harry doesn't want Ginny to fight but is fine with Luna fighting is that he cares about Ginny more than Luna. But it's all stupid anyway.

I think that's what JKR was going for, but IMO it failed spectacularly. After all, he cares about Ron and Hermione - he thinks of them whenever he produces a patronus - but he still "allows" them to fight, even though he spends about half the battle worrying about them. And the implication, for me at least, is that he believes they are capable of taking care of themselves. *Shrug* Your mileage may vary.

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[info]air_and_angels
2008-03-16 07:57 am UTC (link)
And don't get me started on Slytherin. Jo has said several times that there are good Slytherins and not all Slytherins are evil, but she never shows it! Every single Slytherin in the school leaves during the final battle! Not ONE stays behind to help.
Which really undermines the 'perhaps we sort too soon' conversation between Snape and Dumbledore, because it basically PROVES that all Slytherins are evil and cowardly and shitty ALWAYS. Anomalies like Pettigrew and Snape are only allowed one generation back and then strictly as plot devices.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-16 11:58 am UTC (link)
Or, depending on how you look at things, it's totally in keeping with "perhaps we sort too soon". Because, didn't you know, we're supposed to feel sorry for poor Snape, sorted into evil, crappy Slytherin when he could have been a speshul Gryffindor!

*Eyeroll*

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[info]air_and_angels
2008-03-16 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Maybe the Hat had a senior moment and switched Snape and Pettigrew, which would explain a lot.
But EVERYONE else has been correctly sorted ALWAYS.

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-16 06:47 pm UTC (link)
It is about a thousand years old, and spends all year on a shelf being ignored. I think it's probably allowed the odd senior moment. ;)

I was about to say, "Man, someone needs to write a fic where Snape was a Gryffindor and Wormtail was a Slytherin" until I realised it's probably been done about a gazillion times.

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[info]air_and_angels
2008-03-17 04:13 am UTC (link)
And then some!

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ahahaha
[info]pinkalarmclock
2008-03-18 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Brilliant :P

And the book would have been a LOT better if it was called Neville Longbottom and the Deathy Hallows. Because Neville would not spend six months buggering around the English countryside.

that's right, that would be Slytherin! Because including even one Slytherin in the rebellion is apparently too much like adding complexity.


That's always pissed me off.....I mean, there has GOT to be some ambitious mudbloods, or pupils who don't support Voldemort isn't there? Law of averages or something.

Em xXx

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[info]fera_festiva
2008-03-18 05:41 pm UTC (link)
Hi, nice to meet you. :)

Too right Neville wouldn't have spent all that time camping. He'd have spent it destroying the Death Star, taming wild bears, fighting many ninjas at once, and completing Guitar Hero. Oh well. :-/

there has GOT to be some ambitious mudbloods

You'd think, wouldn't you? I don't get why being ambitious is such a bad thing, anyway, nor why achieving those ambitions is bad.

Oh, that's right - Slytherin is EEEEEVVVVIIILLL!!!!!!

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[info]pinkalarmclock
2008-03-19 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Nice to meet you too :)

I'm so sad Neville's on the 'good' side :( maybe if he wasn't, then Voldemort and Slytherin and the Dark Side would have prevailed :(

silly jkr.

---Oh, that's right - Slytherin is EEEEEVVVVIIILLL!!!!!!---

yes :) very, very evil.....

YAY SLYTHERIN!!!

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